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for the record, im typing this in QWERTY.

for those of you that dont know, the qwerty keyboard was designed to be the least efficient of all possible keyboard setups because typewriters jammed when people typed too fast.

should i switch from qwerty to a more efficient keyboard? ive been practicing on the Dvorak keyboard, and i really like the setup better, but im worried about switching because everyone uses qwerty and im pretty fast already on the standard keyboard. anyone use this?

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qwerty may not have been efficient when TYPEWRITERS were used, but seeing as there is no mechanical part of a keyboard today, just use it, its the norm
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Qwerty>dvorak
not if you actually look at the setup. qwerty makes no sense. you put your right hand on jkl;, for gods sake. those are like the most useless letters ever.
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QWERTY is efficient now though because we've all got used to the set up and can type from it really easily. Typewriters would be getting jammed again now with the advent of fast touch-typing, and they'd need to change the keyboard again. Fortunately, we're more technologically advanced, and keyboards don't jam from fast typing.
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qwerty may not have been efficient when TYPEWRITERS were used, but seeing as there is no mechanical part of a keyboard today, just use it, its the norm


right, but it's still inefficient.

if you really care about efficiency and keeping down the time it takes to type, then try switching.
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not if you actually look at the setup. qwerty makes no sense. you put your right hand on jkl;, for gods sake. those are like the most useless letters ever.


I rest my right hand roughly on J, O, P, and @.

And there's a J in my name, so that's fairly useful. Anyway, everything is now designed to fit this keyboard.
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QWERTY is efficient now though because we've all got used to the set up and can type from it really easily.

… and if the OP got used to DVORAK he'd be even more efficient. QWERTY isn't an efficient layout.

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dvorak would kill me, i went to elementary school at a lab school at the local uni, and they drilled home row style qwerty into our heads and it has become second nature to me, i can type about 90-100 wpm. learning a new system would be pointless. i dont think there is really a most or least efficient system, the one you are used to is going to be the most efficient because you know where everything is.

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Quote by phoenix_88
right, but it's still inefficient.

if you really care about efficiency and keeping down the time it takes to type, then try switching.

if you learn any configuration from a young age, itll be fast.

there is no such thing as typing efficiency if you used to your set up, it comes to finger speed at that poing
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#18
If you want to switch just switch. It'll be kinda awkward when you use another person's non-DVORAK keyboard though.
#19
QWERTY is fine.
Seeing as there's nothing to jam in a keyboard as opposed to a typewriter, your point is invalid.

Either way, You'll have to teach yourself to use it.

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for those of you that dont know, the qwerty keyboard was designed to be the least efficient of all possible keyboard setups because typewriters jammed when people typed too fast.

Goddamn those typewriting/keyboard companies!
Always trying to screw us!

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#20
Quote by nt1440
if you learn any configuration from a young age, itll be fast.

there is no such thing as typing efficiency if you used to your set up, it comes to finger speed at that poing
no, there is such thing as keyboard efficiency. just look closely at your setup. its designed so that you have to move for every important letter.

the problem is that i dont think i can switch from one system to the other on command. i could learn dvorak, but i would forget qwerty i think.

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#21
QWERTY=win

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#22
qwertyuiop is my favourite word
but dont you thing it will be hard and confusing to learn the keyboard all over again?
#23
Quote by Zugunruhe
for the record, im typing this in QWERTY.

for those of you that dont know, the qwerty keyboard was designed to be the least efficient of all possible keyboard setups because typewriters jammed when people typed too fast.

should i switch from qwerty to a more efficient keyboard? ive been practicing on the Dvorak keyboard, and i really like the setup better, but im worried about switching because everyone uses qwerty and im pretty fast already on the standard keyboard. anyone use this?

' , . p y f g c r l / =
a o e u i d h t n s -
; q j k x b m w v z

whatcya think?



i the real question is, when is the fastest typer competion happening? and what channel?

who the **** cares if its inefficient? i can type damned fast on a qwerty, thatd be like relearning the guitar left handed if you saw an amazing left handed guitarist
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Quote by Zugunruhe
no, there is such thing as keyboard efficiency. just look closely at your setup. its designed so that you have to move for every important letter.

the problem is that i dont think i can switch from one system to the other on command. i could learn dvorak, but i would forget qwerty i think.

but seeing as i can type around 140 wpm with the system that I KNOW, its extremely effecient verses switching to a new system
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Quote by nt1440
there is no such thing as typing efficiency if you used to your set up, it comes to finger speed at that poing

Exactly the point of DVORAK. The keys that are used most are positioned under the fingers so there is less distance for the finger to travel, hence one can press more keys in the same amount of time.

Everyone can move their fingers at roughly the same rate. It's accuracy and precision that allows us to type (and play guitar) and fast speeds.

Quote by stephen_rettie
who the **** cares if its inefficient? i can type damned fast on a qwerty, thatd be like relearning the guitar left handed if you saw an amazing left handed guitarist

That's not even comparable. There is no inherent benefit in playing guitar left-handed, while there is in learning to type with a DVORAK keyboard as opposed to QWERTY.

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but seeing as i can type around 140 wpm with the system that I KNOW, its extremely effecient verses switching to a new system

Nobody's saying he can sit down one day and magically type 140+ wpm on DVORAK. Obviously it will take time to learn. However, once he does learn, he is likely to be able to type faster.

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Quote by SilentDeftone
Exactly the point of DVORAK. The keys that are used most are positioned under the fingers so there is less distance for the finger to travel, hence one can press more keys in the same amount of time.

Everyone can move their fingers at roughly the same rate. It's accuracy and precision that allows us to type (and play guitar) and fast speeds.

-SD

i dont need or want to switch tho, saving .02 seconds on a damn word is pointless when my computer time is leisurely anyway
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Quote by stephen_rettie
i the real question is, when is the fastest typer competion happening? and what channel?

who the **** cares if its inefficient? i can type damned fast on a qwerty, thatd be like relearning the guitar left handed if you saw an amazing left handed guitarist

actually the typing competition was won by a dvorak keyboard. 212 wpm.

seriously, if you look at it, its a lot better setup. im just wondering if it will be worth it.
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Quote by Zugunruhe
no, there is such thing as keyboard efficiency. just look closely at your setup. its designed so that you have to move for every important letter.

the problem is that i dont think i can switch from one system to the other on command. i could learn dvorak, but i would forget qwerty i think.

better buy me a drink first.


ok do it and then you can impress chicks on how efficient your typing is
who looks at their keyboard and goes 'god damn this is soooo inefficient! i cant stand it!'
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Quote by Zugunruhe
actually the typing competition was won by a dvorak keyboard. 212 wpm.

seriously, if you look at it, its a lot better setup. im just wondering if it will be worth it.


and the winner must have gotten sooooooo much pussy

'**** ME DVORAK MAN **** ME!'
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Quote by Zugunruhe
actually the typing competition was won by a dvorak keyboard. 212 wpm.

seriously, if you look at it, its a lot better setup. im just wondering if it will be worth it.

its only better if you feel like spending months/years relearning all you know about typing

i can type right now entire essays without even looking at my screen, it would takes years to do that with a new system
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Quote by nt1440
i dont need or want to switch tho, saving .02 seconds on a damn word is pointless when my computer time is leisurely anyway

Nobody is suggesting that you switch; the world does not revolve around you.

The OP asked a question pertaining to himself and other's experiences relating to his question. He didn't say "You should learn DVORAK, nt1440!"

-SD
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Quote by Seth Shadows
QWERTY is fine.
Seeing as there's nothing to jam in a keyboard as opposed to a typewriter, your point is invalid.

Either way, You'll have to teach yourself to use it.

EDIT:

Goddamn those typewriting/keyboard companies!
Always trying to screw us!


His point is that they used the least efficient one so that the typewriters wouldn't jam, but as that is no longer a problem he would like to switch to a better one.
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Quote by nt1440
its only better if you feel like spending months/years relearning all you know about typing

i can type right now entire essays without even looking at my screen, it would takes years to do that with a new system
it doesnt take years to learn a new keyboard. ive been typing on it for 2 days, and i already know where all the keys are. i just have to build up speed.
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I don't even think when I'm typing. I do it almost entirely through muscle memory (same for playing guitar). Maybe it's not the most obvious layout, but we're all used to it.

Frankly, I don't see any point in changing it. Sure, you can arrange the keys any way you want, but you'll still be typing the same words. Who gives a **** HOW you typed them? And besides, if most of the developed world is familiar with this layout, why change? It's kind of useless.

It's like declaring that from now on, Friday will be renamed Fridya. Sure, you can change it, but what good does that do?
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im sorry, this seems entirely pointless to me. My laptop has the standard keyboard and im fairly certain it has all the letters your fancy keyboard has, so i reckon i could type pretty much every english word with it. Is it really necessary to get that wierd keyboard so that you can type a bit faster? Im certain journalists and novelists (the two profession i can think of who type the most) can get by quite sufficiently on a peasant keyboard like mine, so surely you have no great need for it?

At least thats my thoughts, i obviously don't mind what you do. I'll be impressed, however, if you opt for a keyboard in alphabetical order, where shift q is the spacebar...
#37
Well I can touch type at over 80 words a minute on QWERTY, personally I think I'll stick to that... thats fine for me thanks!
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Quote by SilentDeftone
Nobody is suggesting that you switch; the world does not revolve around you.

The OP asked a question pertaining to himself and other's experiences relating to his question. He didn't say "You should learn DVORAK, nt1440!"

-SD

his posts are praising it as the end all and be all of all setups, thus forcing it on ppl in this thread.
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Quote by Zugunruhe
it doesnt take years to learn a new keyboard. ive been typing on it for 2 days, and i already know where all the keys are. i just have to build up speed.

i meant for me, im afraid of change
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