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#1
So what do you guys think about Columbine?
what do you know about it?
what are the strangest conspiracy theories you have heard?


to JOJ: How can you admire them, at all?
#2
It's kinda easy to admire 2 people who had the courage to go through with something that big.


Just like aussie's admire ned-kelly, even knowing he was bank robber he's still considered a hero.
#3
I said I did admire them, not that I do admire them. I used to carry a picture of them in my wallet, in fact. And the reason I DID admire them is because when I was in school, I hated most people I knew and wished most of them were dead. Not that it was okay to think that way, but its how I felt. I was a hateful little guy in those days.

I think Columbine is bad? What kind of question is that? I know a lot about it. I remember when it happened, and getting static for wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. And I remember not being allowed to have dyed hair in school, and people thinking I was going to kill them because I was quiet and had long hair.
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#4
Well, they were two crazy kids who thought it was good to go and kill twelve people because they didn't have any friends. They bought guns and bullets from Wal-Mart or K-Mart and gunned people down.

I don't want to side with Michael Moore, because he's an annoying liberal douche, but he has a point about the American gun culture, they could at least change it so you have to have a licence to own a gun, and make sure guns are sold at gunshops, not supermarkets. That seems reasonable.
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#5
Columbine was ballsy but that **** happens all the time in the U.S.

was just another school shooting. no conspiracies.. youd be surprised as to how many times this has happened
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Columbine was ballsy but that **** happens all the time in the U.S.

was just another school shooting. no conspiracies.. youd be surprised as to how many times this has happened



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#7
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Columbine was ballsy but that **** happens all the time in the U.S.

was just another school shooting. no conspiracies.. youd be surprised as to how many times this has happened

Actually, it hadn't happened that often up until then. That was the big one that set people off. Before then, there was the guy who shot people from the clock tower, but not much else. There was the McDonalds shooting, but that was different.. Then there was people going postal.
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#8
I got sent to the school counsellor for saying I was going to go on a columbine style shooting spree. That was fun.
#9
I think the VA tech shootings freaked me out worse than the columbine ones did for some reason.
#10
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Actually, it hadn't happened that often up until then. That was the big one that set people off. Before then, there was the guy who shot people from the clock tower, but not much else. There was the McDonalds shooting, but that was different.. Then there was people going postal.


says the uneducated retard.

there were 16 notable elementary and highschool shootings before columbine..
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#11
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I said I did admire them, not that I do admire them. I used to carry a picture of them in my wallet, in fact. And the reason I DID admire them is because when I was in school, I hated most people I knew and wished most of them were dead. Not that it was okay to think that way, but its how I felt. I was a hateful little guy in those days.

I think Columbine is bad? What kind of question is that? I know a lot about it. I remember when it happened, and getting static for wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. And I remember not being allowed to have dyed hair in school, and people thinking I was going to kill them because I was quiet and had long hair.


I agree with you there, and a do actually relate to the two boys who went mad. There are many people I would like to see as twitching, blood soaked pieces of flesh on the floor; but I realise that school isn't all of my life. It seems that the two boys thought that high school was their whole life, and if they had a bad time there, they would have no successful life afterwards.

Thankfully, I've grown up in a completely different school and in a different time, where metal shirts don't mean that I will kill people, and long hair doesn't mean I'm hiding a gun.
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#12
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Well, they were two crazy kids who thought it was good to go and kill twelve people because they didn't have any friends. They bought guns and bullets from Wal-Mart or K-Mart and gunned people down.

I don't want to side with Michael Moore, because he's an annoying liberal douche, but he has a point about the American gun culture, they could at least change it so you have to have a licence to own a gun, and make sure guns are sold at gunshops, not supermarkets. That seems reasonable.

They killed thirteen, not twelve. They got guns from their friend, they didn't buy them. They made their own bombs. They DID have friends, but they got picked on.
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I said I did admire them, not that I do admire them. I used to carry a picture of them in my wallet, in fact. And the reason I DID admire them is because when I was in school, I hated most people I knew and wished most of them were dead. Not that it was okay to think that way, but its how I felt. I was a hateful little guy in those days.

I think Columbine is bad? What kind of question is that? I know a lot about it. I remember when it happened, and getting static for wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. And I remember not being allowed to have dyed hair in school, and people thinking I was going to kill them because I was quiet and had long hair.


A. The "What do you think about Columbine?" was just so this wasnt a complete spam thread, I didn't really care if you answered or not.

B. So because you hated people back in school you admired the people that had the balls to carry through with their hatred? I guess that makes sense. But that is a little bit like admiring Hitler for killing the Jews. He hated them, He thought they were worse than him. These kids kind of had the same concept, just not towards Jews, they were arrogant, and thought everybody who wasnt nice to THEM deserved to die. So it is kind of similar to the holocaust, even if Dylan was a Jew. Thats how the Hitler theory comes in, and I doubt Dylan was offended by Nazism anymore because Most kids these days dont care anymore, and seeing as how he was kind of sociopathic, he wouldn't feel remorse for the death of his people.
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#15
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre there's the wiki link for those of you who don't know much about it. While I think that killing people is wrong I do kinda see what they were doing. Now I'm not saying that I'd do anything like that but I know how it feels to be an outsider. They went through sooooo many plans to get it how they wanted it. True that their bomb didn't go off (quite brilliantly placed if it would've gone off) but the time they took to go through with it was almost professional.
#16
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says the uneducated retard.

there were 16 notable elementary and highschool shootings before columbine..

Columbine was the one that brought the mainstream attention. I didn't say that there were NONE, I said they weren't that notable, aside from Kent State, which was one of the bigger ones. Don't call me an uneducated retard, you troll. That was the one that brought out the metal detectors, and freaked everyone out. That was the one that had everyone panicking and then had copy cats. There were actually over 20 school shootings, not 16. But most of them only involved one or two people getting killed, Columbine had 13 or 14 people killed.
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#17
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Well, they were two crazy kids who thought it was good to go and kill twelve people because they didn't have any friends. They bought guns and bullets from Wal-Mart or K-Mart and gunned people down.

I don't want to side with Michael Moore, because he's an annoying liberal douche, but he has a point about the American gun culture, they could at least change it so you have to have a licence to own a gun, and make sure guns are sold at gunshops, not supermarkets. That seems reasonable.


Umm.... we do require licenses for guns.
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Umm.... we do require licenses for guns.

I heard on the radio the other day something about how as of last year, in missouri, you don't need a permit to buy a guy anymore. You still need the back ground check, but not the permit. I dunno if that is true.. But...
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#20
Columbine was tragic, it only really cemented my opinion that regular folk don't need to own guns. After Dunblane, our Government did the sensible thing and I am really thankful I don't live in such hysteria like the US and it's "gun culture"
#21
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Columbine was the one that brought the mainstream attention. I didn't say that there were NONE, I said they weren't that notable, aside from Kent State, which was one of the bigger ones. Don't call me an uneducated retard, you troll. That was the one that brought out the metal detectors, and freaked everyone out. That was the one that had everyone panicking and then had copy cats. There were actually over 20 school shootings, not 16. But most of them only involved one or two people getting killed, Columbine had 13 or 14 people killed.


There was a shocking amount of public reaction to it, I remember seeing a public service video saying that if your child didn't wear a school uniform they would be a killer. A kid was wearing baggy jeans and a baggy shirt, he pulled out four pistols, a .44 Magnum, an Uzi and a pump action. It was just ultimate facepalm; wouldn't you notice that they kid would be hiding something when you saw him unable to bend his legs.

I know they had some friends, weren't they in a cult called the Trenchcoat Mafia?
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#22
Well I know for a fact they didn't plan April 20th solely for Hitlers birthday.
#23
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There was a shocking amount of public reaction to it, I remember seeing a public service video saying that if your child didn't wear a school uniform they would be a killer. A kid was wearing baggy jeans and a baggy shirt, he pulled out four pistols, a .44 Magnum, an Uzi and a pump action. It was just ultimate facepalm; wouldn't you notice that they kid would be hiding something when you saw him unable to bend his legs.

I know they had some friends, weren't they in a cult called the Trenchcoat Mafia?

It wasn't a cult, its just what they were called because they wore trench coats around.
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There was a shocking amount of public reaction to it, I remember seeing a public service video saying that if your child didn't wear a school uniform they would be a killer. A kid was wearing baggy jeans and a baggy shirt, he pulled out four pistols, a .44 Magnum, an Uzi and a pump action. It was just ultimate facepalm; wouldn't you notice that they kid would be hiding something when you saw him unable to bend his legs.

I know they had some friends, weren't they in a cult called the Trenchcoat Mafia?


I saw that video. It was a fail indeed.

They were friends with some members of the Trenchcoat Mafia btu they weren't members of the actual group.
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Well I know for a fact they didn't plan April 20th solely for Hitlers birthday.


I know I already said that, in the other thread where this all started.
#26
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I said I did admire them, not that I do admire them. I used to carry a picture of them in my wallet, in fact. And the reason I DID admire them is because when I was in school, I hated most people I knew and wished most of them were dead. Not that it was okay to think that way, but its how I felt. I was a hateful little guy in those days.

I think Columbine is bad? What kind of question is that? I know a lot about it. I remember when it happened, and getting static for wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt. And I remember not being allowed to have dyed hair in school, and people thinking I was going to kill them because I was quiet and had long hair.



Same, while I still no longer think the guys are hot ****, I can honestly relate to their agner, they were bullied, alot more than most people are, and they snapped. I feel sorry for them.

Also, this "Rachael's Challenge" group came to my school, and were doing this huge presentation on this girl who was shot on that day and how she was a nice girl and how they say we should be more like her, aka nice, and they gave us all thisi nfo on these people she helped, but did she ever try to help Eric and Dylan? Nope. No, she didn't.
#27
A kid in my school apparently had a hit list and planned to shoot up the school. He was rumored to have the weapons in his basement and the cops apparently found them. I have no idea if there's any truth to this, but it's a scary thing to think something like that can happen in my school, my safe secure school. I try to be nice to everyone. I mean maybe I can make a difference by being nice and sway somebody away from a decision like that. Imo, guns shouldn't be legal, or at least that easy to acquire for teenagers. I just really hate violence, and school shootings are such tragic and preventable things. Everybody needs somebody to talk to, and I'll try to be there when somebody needs somebody.
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#28
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Same, while I still no longer think the guys are hot ****, I can honestly relate to their agner, they were bullied, alot more than most people are, and they snapped. I feel sorry for them.

Also, this "Rachael's Challenge" group came to my school, and were doing this huge presentation on this girl who was shot on that day and how she was a nice girl and how they say we should be more like her, aka nice, and they gave us all thisi nfo on these people she helped, but did she ever try to help Eric and Dylan? Nope. No, she didn't.


I'm sorry, but are you sick in the head?
#30
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It's kinda easy to admire 2 people who had the courage to go through with something that big.


Just like aussie's admire ned-kelly, even knowing he was bank robber he's still considered a hero.


Kinda like D.B. Cooper. I admire the **** out of him.
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#31
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Same, while I still no longer think the guys are hot ****, I can honestly relate to their agner, they were bullied, alot more than most people are, and they snapped. I feel sorry for them.

Also, this "Rachael's Challenge" group came to my school, and were doing this huge presentation on this girl who was shot on that day and how she was a nice girl and how they say we should be more like her, aka nice, and they gave us all thisi nfo on these people she helped, but did she ever try to help Eric and Dylan? Nope. No, she didn't.

My attitude was that nobody learned anything from it. After it happened, schools were interested in getting people to not dress in trench coats, hair dying, or wearing various t-shirts. If you did it anyway, you got made fun of. If you were making fun of someone for it, you didn't get into any trouble whatsoever. The only people who got into trouble were the people who wore it, and that's the kind of thing that pushed Eric and Dylan. After it happened, my brother got suspended because he had a list of people's names from a video game in his locker, and a turkey bone that was part of his lunch. The school thought he was a threat, partially because he got picked on a lot. Meanwhile, the people who WERE actually violent, like the people who would pick on me in gym, got into no trouble and half the time were encouraged by the coach. Why should I feel like these people shouldn't die? Especially at a young age when all you know is high school. They should have focused more on getting people to understand differences, instead of trying to eliminate differences.
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#32
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You feel sorry for them after they murdered 13 people?
#33
i don't see how its a ballsy act if they went ahead and killed themselves after.

maybe if they tried to make an escape and actually get away with it maybe.. otherwise they were just a couple of scared kids that got picked on too much.

I think i was in grade 11 or 12 when that happened.. and being an owner of a trenchcoat at the time, it made it difficult to wear my only coat at the time without getting accosted XD

i suppose i could have bought a new one.. but hey, i was saving up for an amp.
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#35
So do all you guys who admire them admire Stalin?
How about Hitler?
Osama Bin Laden?

They all did pretty big things. I would say bigger than columbine. According to that logic,They had lots of balls to kill tons of people so I should admire them.
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#36
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i don't see how its a ballsy act if they went ahead and killed themselves after.

It takes a huge load of balls (or just plain idocy) to kill yourself.
#37
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So do all you guys who admire them admire Stalin?
How about Hitler?
Osama Bin Laden?

They all did pretty big things. I would say bigger than columbine. According to that logic,They had lots of balls to kill tons of people so I admire them.

I admire and agree with certain things Hitler said, and understand the point of view of Bin Laden. Does that count? I don't necessarily agree with everything Hitler did, but a few of his points of view, especially in regards to things like education and art, I think are valid. And I consider the Taliban attack to be like the Indians retaliating against colonists, but that doesn't mean I'm pro 9/11, or the deaths of anyone.

As I said before, this was my attitude when I was in high school, not the attitude I have now.
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#38
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Yes, yes I am.

Actually I bet you are not....

You are probably trying to act all hard on a forum cause you dont have to show your face.
#39
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So do all you guys who admire them admire Stalin?
How about Hitler?
Osama Bin Laden?

They all did pretty big things. I would say bigger than columbine. According to that logic,They had lots of balls to kill tons of people so I should admire them.



I believe that Hitler was bat-sh*t crazy, but he did great things for German morale and economy, things that were desperately needed at the time.

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#40
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So do all you guys who admire them admire Stalin?
How about Hitler?
Osama Bin Laden?

They all did pretty big things. I would say bigger than columbine. According to that logic,They had lots of balls to kill tons of people so I admire them.


good call.

anyone who can justify the murder of their fellow human beings because they got "bugged in high school" well ****.. you kids can fill that one in.
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