#1
Is it a good idea to put a Bigsby on a Les Paul? has anyone done it before?

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Done to death. Almost as overdone as a Bigsby on an SG.
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Done to death. Almost as overdone as a Bigsby on an SG.


Awesome. Not my question though.

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okay. cool. also, anyplace i can get a good bigsby tremolo for not so much, and maybe a quick tutorial on installing?

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i heard there fairly basic to install. ebay is good for cheap guitar bits. i also heard the bigsby has diabolical tuning problems. nice
#8
guitar center selles bigsbys for around $100. thats the cheapest i've seen them. and you might want to get locking tuners, the tuning on bigsbys is horrible...
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#9
Not really any such thing as a cheap bigsby. A cheap one would be poorly made and stay in tune even less.
#10
you can lubricate them to get them to stay in tune a little better- i think you just colour in the bits where it meets the strings with a pencil.
#11
Changing strings on a bigsby is alarmingly similar to flossing the teeth of a pissed-off sabertooth tiger while blindfolded. Go to your nearest guitar center and play a guitar with a bigsby to make sure it's what you want before you ruin the top of your LP. They're easy to install, but you can't really go back, so make sure you want it first.
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Changing strings on a bigsby is alarmingly similar to flossing the teeth of a pissed-off sabertooth tiger while blindfolded. Go to your nearest guitar center and play a guitar with a bigsby to make sure it's what you want before you ruin the top of your LP. They're easy to install, but you can't really go back, so make sure you want it first.

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Changing strings on a bigsby is alarmingly similar to flossing the teeth of a pissed-off sabertooth tiger while blindfolded.
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Changing strings on a bigsby is alarmingly similar to flossing the teeth of a pissed-off sabertooth tiger while blindfolded. Go to your nearest guitar center and play a guitar with a bigsby to make sure it's what you want before you ruin the top of your LP. They're easy to install, but you can't really go back, so make sure you want it first.

1) They're easy to restring. There's small pegs to fasten the ball ends to, and that's that. Do you also find buttoning your shirt a herculean task?
2) You can go back quite easily. Step one: Take off Bigsby. Step two: Reinstall stop tailpiece. Bon appetít.
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If you get a Bigsby, try going for the long body model that goes the length of the body to the strap button, I've been told that these are much safer to use than the short piece models.
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1) They're easy to restring. There's small pegs to fasten the ball ends to, and that's that. Do you also find buttoning your shirt a herculean task?
2) You can go back quite easily. Step one: Take off Bigsby. Step two: Reinstall stop tailpiece. Bon appetít.

It was an older japan model...if the new ones are easier to restring that would be awesome. The old ones were hell though. Which one are you referring to, or have you actually restrung one?
Taking it off is easy, yes, but surely you've seen as many les pauls as I have with bigsby scars. That's what I meant, that it will mess up the top. I know it's easy to take screws out.
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Check out Neil Young he kills the hell out of his Bigsby Les Paul.
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It was an older japan model...if the new ones are easier to restring that would be awesome. The old ones were hell though. Which one are you referring to, or have you actually restrung one?
Taking it off is easy, yes, but surely you've seen as many les pauls as I have with bigsby scars. That's what I meant, that it will mess up the top. I know it's easy to take screws out.

Well, I would think that any guitarist would have nimble fingers, and restringing a bigsby tailpiece should be easy. I'm not saying it's as easy as, say, a stop tailpiece, but it's really not that big a deal. However, I know from experience how a pigheaded approach will make the easiest tasks seam like a huge challenge.
And I haven't really seen that many bigsby scars, but the ones I have seen haven't been intolerable. Pics?
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Well, I would think that any guitarist would have nimble fingers, and restringing a bigsby tailpiece should be easy. I'm not saying it's as easy as, say, a stop tailpiece, but it's really not that big a deal. However, I know from experience how a pigheaded approach will make the easiest tasks seam like a huge challenge.
And I haven't really seen that many bigsby scars, but the ones I have seen haven't been intolerable. Pics?

OK, so clearly you haven't restrung a bigsby. Here are some other people who have the same issue:
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/97503-bigsbys.html
http://www.guitarist.co.uk/page/guitarist?entry=reader_s_lives_bigsby_restringing
...maybe research or try it yourself next time before making dumb comments. The hard part about stringing a bigsby is that when you put the ball end of the string on, the string is facing the wrong way, so when you whip it around to get it into the machine head the ball end pops off. The best way I've found is to capo the string, string the ball end, pull the other end through the machine head, and then pull the middle and free end of the string up (to keep the tension) with one hand while taking the capo off with the other. Then you pull the string tighter and tune it up. Locking tuners would of course make the whole process a lot easier, but you don't always have that option (someone else's instrument, vintage piece etc.)

...I promise it's not easy. I don't really care if you disagree, but don't insult my intelligence just because you don't know how it works.
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Check out Neil Young he kills the hell out of his Bigsby Les Paul.

That he does, that he does.

I put a Bigsby on my LP and i dont have tuning problems, and that was before, when i still had the stock tuners on it, now with my grovers its even better.
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OK, so clearly you haven't restrung a bigsby. Here are some other people who have the same issue:
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/97503-bigsbys.html
http://www.guitarist.co.uk/page/guitarist?entry=reader_s_lives_bigsby_restringing
...maybe research or try it yourself next time before making dumb comments. The hard part about stringing a bigsby is that when you put the ball end of the string on, the string is facing the wrong way, so when you whip it around to get it into the machine head the ball end pops off. The best way I've found is to capo the string, string the ball end, pull the other end through the machine head, and then pull the middle and free end of the string up (to keep the tension) with one hand while taking the capo off with the other. Then you pull the string tighter and tune it up. Locking tuners would of course make the whole process a lot easier, but you don't always have that option (someone else's instrument, vintage piece etc.)

...I promise it's not easy. I don't really care if you disagree, but don't insult my intelligence just because you don't know how it works.

Are you trying to become my enemy, or something? I'm telling you (and I know this) it's not half as hard as you and everybody else makes it out to be. You have some nerve to be flat out telling me that I haven't restrung a Bigsby, just because I've clearly had more succes with it than you have. I simply don't find it difficult to lasso the ball end onto the peg and subsequently keeping the string taut enough. Don't get mad at me because of your apparent ineptitude. So how long does it take you to restring a Floyd? A couple of years?

I have in no way insulted your intelligence (unless you're the touchiest kindergartener on this forum), but you actually think you can use your hurt baby boy pride as a shield and tell me that I don't know how something works, when it's quite clear that I know the principle very well? What the hell is wrong with you?
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#22
Drilling holes in a Les Paul makes me sad.

Is it a good idea? If you need a vibrato system then sure, why not?

Honestly though, I think Bigsby trems are a waste of time. They don't really give you much range.

Get a Stetsbar.

That way you don't have to drill holes.
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Are you trying to become my enemy, or something? I'm telling you (and I know this) it's not half as hard as you and everybody else makes it out to be. You have some nerve to be flat out telling me that I haven't restrung a Bigsby, just because I've clearly had more succes with it than you have. I simply don't find it difficult to lasso the ball end onto the peg and subsequently keeping the string taut enough. Don't get mad at me because of your apparent ineptitude. So how long does it take you to restring a Floyd? A couple of years?

I have in no way insulted your intelligence (unless you're the touchiest kindergartener on this forum), but you actually think you can use your hurt baby boy pride as a shield and tell me that I don't know how something works, when it's quite clear that I know the principle very well? What the hell is wrong with you?

...ok.
This is the internet. Sorry I took you wrong, but you seemed like another douche with no experience and too much to say. You still have too much to say, but that doesn't bother me as long as you know what you're talking about(probably should have mentioned that before). Which bigsby was it? I'm curious because I think the one I have trouble with is discontinued...maybe that's why. Glad we're getting somewhere

...not much to go on but the new ones look slightly diffent to me. It's an MIJ Ibanez Talman, mid-80s I think.
#24
yea no one can tell you if its a good idea... its your gutiar... do you really need a vibrato peice? if yes then get one, they arn't hard to install, from what ive seen they arnt to hard to restring. but...

they do have some tuning instability problems. Locking tuners and/or a roller bridge would be a great idea. I though about putting a bigsby on my sg, but I realized after playing a guitar with one on there that I really had no use for it.

but if I put one on my sg I would definately get a roller bridge for it

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Bridges,_tailpieces/Bigsby_vibrato_tailpieces/Bigsby_Vibrato_Tailpieces.html

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...ok.
This is the internet. Sorry I took you wrong, but you seemed like another douche with no experience and too much to say. You still have too much to say, but that doesn't bother me as long as you know what you're talking about(probably should have mentioned that before). Which bigsby was it? I'm curious because I think the one I have trouble with is discontinued...maybe that's why. Glad we're getting somewhere
[picture of Talman]
...not much to go on but the new ones look slightly diffent to me. It's an MIJ Ibanez Talman, mid-80s I think.

Alright, we'll bury that hatchet then.

Going off memory, it'd have been a B7. It was on a banged up Sheraton that I was considering buying. It had some pretty ratty strings, so I asked the guy if he had some new ones, and he reluctantly handed them over on the condition that I changed them myself. So I did. But I didn't buy the guitar. I've since restrung another Bigsby, but I don't know which one it was. It belonged to a guy who was visiting a friend of mine (that last bit gives it a feel of an urban legend or something, doesn't it?)

And I recognized that Talman without reading the text (a Talman TC825FSL, I believe. Bob Casale of Devo plays one exactly like it). I religiously believe Ibanez should do a full reissue of that model. Anyways, that one looks a lot like the B5. In fact, I don't really see any discernable difference. That requires the same approach as the B7. Have you tried making a kink in the string about half an inch from the ball end before trying to hook it onto the peg on the Bigsby? That makes it easier to make the ring catch onto the peg. However, the capo thing seems like a pretty good solution, but I probably won't use it. For one, because I don't currently own a Bigsby, and secondly I use the rubber-band-gun-hand method for keeping the string taut while I wind it onto the tuning peg.

And you know what? I too am getting fed up with reading pig headed advice online, so I made it a priority to not be one of "those guys". And in the event that I am only guessing, I'll mention it explicitly in the post. However, I don't even guess without running the problem through the ol' logic matrix first, or even consulting prof. Google.
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And I recognized that Talman without reading the text (a Talman TC825FSL, I believe. Bob Casale of Devo plays one exactly like it). I religiously believe Ibanez should do a full reissue of that model. Anyways, that one looks a lot like the B5. In fact, I don't really see any discernable difference. That requires the same approach as the B7. Have you tried making a kink in the string about half an inch from the ball end before trying to hook it onto the peg on the Bigsby? That makes it easier to make the ring catch onto the peg. However, the capo thing seems like a pretty good solution, but I probably won't use it. For one, because I don't currently own a Bigsby, and secondly I use the rubber-band-gun-hand method for keeping the string taut while I wind it onto the tuning peg.


A large part of the problem might be that I can't make a kink in the string. I use DR pure blues, which have a round core. With hex core strings like ernie ball or d'addario, there's a little gap in between the hex core and the round winding, and you can pinch the string. Round core strings don't do that- they like to stay straight, which makes it hard to get them to 'catch' on the tuning peg, though I didn't think about it causing a problem on the ball end. I'll have to pick up some "normal" strings and try that.
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Originally Posted by Chad48309
Done to death. Almost as overdone as a Bigsby on an SG.



Awesome. Not my question though.


has anyone done it before?

kinda was ur question lol
done before but still v cool

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So how long does it take you to restring a Floyd? A couple of years?

I have in no way insulted your intelligence...


I thought this was pretty funny.