#1
I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this, but it looked like the only one that covered it (the songwriting one is for lyrics, correct?)

I have a real problem writing riffs and all that on demand. I can pull them out of my butt but can never really just finish a song and leave it at that. I come up with an intro, a verse, a chorus, then get stuck. Any advice for how to make the song continue or force the inspiration to come? Do any of you have methods for sitting down and writing quickly?
#2
Try writing down a chord progression first, recording it clean with very limited rhythm (just straight four-four), then playing around on top of that with the tone you want.

One you have a cool rhythm on top, kill off the old one (unless it sounds good) and try riffing over that progression in the appropriate minor pentatonic scale.

You may then decide to kill off or adjust some of the rhythm around whatever lead you come up with.

This is why jamming is such a good way to write songs - two or more people can change on the fly... but no one will jam with me! Dammit!
#3
Well, most songs go Intro Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Bridge Verse Chorus, so I'll you've really got to do is write a bridge (as easy as improvising a solo over the verse/chorus riff) and maybe some lyrics and you've got yourself a song.
#4
I had the same trouble... hard to finish tunes.

I started writing 1 minute long songs everyday and this meant i could finish them easily. Now I spit out a tune a day for my Daily Melody project and it's helped heaps.

You should get into a habit of writing something everyday to keep the ideas flowing, before you know it you'll have ideas coming out your butt.

Also, forget the whole verse chorus thing... that's just a product of the market... "play a chorus heaps of times and people will know it by the end of a song"

would you like a movie that kept flashing back to the same scene over and over?

music is art, so it's free for you to shape... try treating a song like a movie... start / middle / finish

let it build up, or let it die off, or let the melody be the main character and change the scenery around it (like the harmonies/beats/progressions)

Great musical genius' avoids going down the mainstream path...

http://dailymelodies.com
#5
I would just write on something that you or someone else might be going through, change it around a bit, rip off someone's tune, and you're all set.
#6
Quote by dude-1
, rip off someone's tune, and you're all set.

this screams originality......
#7
Also, forget the whole verse chorus thing... that's just a product of the market... "play a chorus heaps of times and people will know it by the end of a song"

would you like a movie that kept flashing back to the same scene over and over?
No. But when I want to listen to music I don't watch a movie. Different mediums, different purposes. I think repetition in music is a good thing.
My name is Andy
Quote by MudMartin
Only looking at music as math and theory, is like only looking at the love of your life as flesh and bone.

Swinging to the rhythm of the New World Order,
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums
#8
Quote by Ænimus Prime
No. But when I want to listen to music I don't watch a movie. Different mediums, different purposes. I think repetition in music is a good thing.
The best music is has repeting melodies that change slightly. When improvising next, find a motif/riff/lick that you like, play it again, than play it again with 1 or 2 notes that are different. Although repeting music is awesome, predictable music sucks.

To t/s OP
Do you improvise yet? If you dont, I suggest you try to learn to improvise before you start writing. I find most my song ideas when improvising. Just keep a pen and paper handy.
#9
predictable music sucks

It has it's place, and I can enjoy it as well as most music I've heard.
My name is Andy
Quote by MudMartin
Only looking at music as math and theory, is like only looking at the love of your life as flesh and bone.

Swinging to the rhythm of the New World Order,
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums
#10
Quote by Ænimus Prime
It has it's place, and I can enjoy it as well as most music I've heard.
I dunno, I'm kind of sick of pop-rock and scene boy metal. It just sounds so unoriginal.
#12
Quote by branny1982
if you can get a riff sooo good, sometimes it can last a whole song.

there are loads of tunes where the same 4 chords can repeat the whole way through.

just trying to think of some now... maybe radiohead 'creep'
A smart sound riff/chord progression, Yeah why not. A 4:4 powerchord progression consisting of only I, V and IV chords, heard it WAY too many times.
#13
Quote by demonofthenight
I dunno, I'm kind of sick of pop-rock and scene boy metal. It just sounds so unoriginal.

But it sells good though.

TS, try putting a key change in the song after the bridge, same tune for the verse and chorus, just in a higher key, and play it like that to the end. Or try doubling the tempo on just one verse.
#14
Quote by SlackerBabbath
But it sells good though.

TS, try putting a key change in the song after the bridge, same tune for the verse and chorus, just in a higher key, and play it like that to the end. Or try doubling the tempo on just one verse.
It sells to teeny boppers who listen to whatever their given, IE whatever's on the radio. The media whats as much conformity in music as possible, so its easier to write, sounds more familiar and has the lest ammount of risk. Most people older than 25, as in people who have been listening to music long enough to form an oppinion, hate it.
#15
A good song is a good song is a good song regardless of genre or marketability.
My name is Andy
Quote by MudMartin
Only looking at music as math and theory, is like only looking at the love of your life as flesh and bone.

Swinging to the rhythm of the New World Order,
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums
#16
Just coming from a writers point of view though, it's not in your best interests to keep writing using the same old tricks and formulas... it's great if you write some stuff that is catchy and have some tricks up your sleeve, but if you want to grow you have to explore new ideas too... and that includes ditching some old ideas...

there are so many things that make good songs and you don't need all the cliche`s in one hit...

it's impossible to write or judge the perfect song because different ears have different tastes.. as exemplified in this thread... so the main thing to go for is your own development as a writer... don't worry about opinions... just make sure you're always trying new ideas and keeping your own mind fresh
#17
Quote by demonofthenight
It sells to teeny boppers who listen to whatever their given, IE whatever's on the radio. The media whats as much conformity in music as possible, so its easier to write, sounds more familiar and has the lest ammount of risk. Most people older than 25, as in people who have been listening to music long enough to form an oppinion, hate it.

I love it, and I'm nearly 42. Ever heard of the Ramones? Exellent stuff, bubble gum rock with a touch of machine gun.
Face it, people have different tastes. If everything on the radio was progressive music like Genesis and Yes, like it was in the early 70s, then a large portion of the listeners would be saying 'what's all this symphony stuff?' and begging for simpler stuff, exactly like they did in the 70s when punk started out.
#18
Quote by SlackerBabbath
I love it, and I'm nearly 42. Ever heard of the Ramones? Exellent stuff, bubble gum rock with a touch of machine gun.
Face it, people have different tastes. If everything on the radio was progressive music like Genesis and Yes, like it was in the early 70s, then a large portion of the listeners would be saying 'what's all this symphony stuff?' and begging for simpler stuff, exactly like they did in the 70s when punk started out.
Meh everyone has their tastes. I just dont like the media's regulation on music. If you dont play pop-rock, your bands not gonna sell too well.
#19
Quote by demonofthenight
Meh everyone has their tastes. I just dont like the media's regulation on music. If you dont play pop-rock, your bands not gonna sell too well.

Not if you try to market it on a pop-rock station you won't.

Radio stations play music that attracts the most listeners. Once a radio station has lots and lots of listeners, it can then charge lots and lots of money for companies to place adverts on the radio station.

Many different stations specialise in many different genres or have programs that specialise in different genres. Just find the station or program that suits your style the most and market yourselves with them.
#20
I posted a lesson on 'writing tips' about a week ago now. Yet to be approved or denied, however if you think it will help I can PM it to you.
#21
hmmm... i wonder if radio stations subliminally informed people of what they like?

you gotta admit that when they've got wind of something they pump it hard into everyone's ears

music is a good 2 minutes shorter per track now than 20 years ago, is that because bands get tired? or producers/radio stations want it that way? more tracks played every hour, get to the chorus quicker, align with t.v.'s short attention span society?

hehe
#22
Quote by colohue
I posted a lesson on 'writing tips' about a week ago now. Yet to be approved or denied, however if you think it will help I can PM it to you.


I would really appreciate that actually, thanks.

Thanks to everybody else for their help; some good points were made all around and it's always nice to be reminded music is really opinionated. XD
#24
Quote by colohue
It's mostly lyrical but there are some valid points in there I think. Check your profile messages.


Would you mind PMing me also? I would be really appreciate it