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Hey there, i'm doing a little write up for my politics class and can't decide on John Lennon's political ideology. I've heard things from him being a liberalist, to a scoicalist, even to a communist. What does UG think John Lennon's preferred political ideology was? Thanks.
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why label it?

because i have to for this write up
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ah socialism is communism

Just without the social and political stigma attached to the name as socialism is based off of Karl Marx's communist manifesto.

What most people think of as Communism is in reality Stalinism.

But yeah don't label it, describe it, are at least refer to it partially
ie, he believed in the ideaology that people should work together for the better of mankind, dispelling the inequalities inherent in a pure capitalist system. While many of these values can be attributed to the socialist movement, Lennon's ideology went beyond that.

something like that:-)
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I think you are going to have to do some serious research on this as there are contradicting views on his political standing and there is some talk of him not always practising what he preached.
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ah socialism is communism

Just without the social and political stigma attached to the name as socialism is based off of Karl Marx's communist manifesto.

What most people think of as Communism is in reality Stalinism.

But yeah don't label it, describe it, are at least refer to it partially
ie, he believed in the ideaology that people should work together for the better of mankind, dispelling the inequalities inherent in a pure capitalist system. While many of these values can be attributed to the socialist movement, Lennon's ideology went beyond that.

something like that:-)

this gets me off to a good start, thanks man(and to everyone else who helped)
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Liberalism and Socialism are quite similar in some aspects. A Liberal probably believes that all people should have equal rights and opportunities- a key aspect of Socialism. There are differences of course, but the 2 ideologies overlap at times.

I'd say John could be described as both.
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#10
A liberal believes that the only person to hold authority over themselves are themselves. Socialism is way more along the altruistic path, and communism is simply destruction of social barriers and classes to promote the equality of everyone. Liberal is about the freedom of the self, which stands in opposition to socialisms idea that actions are to benefit society. Seldom do the two go hand in hand (person vs. state).

John Lennon wasn't a politician. He's a celebrity that wanted to make a difference. Sorry, but I can't imagine this turning out be a very good paper.
#11
watch the movie the U.S. vs. John Lennon
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no, this is pretty wrong. Socialism is not communism, sorry!

i get what you're trying to say, but it's still wrong.

Socialism is not based off of the Communist Manifesto. In fact, socialism was a seperate entity long before Marx was even born. Communism is a derivative of socialism that is basically summed up as:

Quote by from various wikipedia pages
Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.

For Karl Marx, who helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, socialism would be the socioeconomic system that arises after the proletarian revolution, in which the means of production are owned collectively. This society would then progress into communism.


communism an extreme form of socialism. one where a society exists that has no state or classes, and there is a common ownership of all goods. communism as a functional entity has never existed!

basically, communism = socialism, however socialism =/= communism. communism encompasses all of socialism, just taken to an extreme and on a worldwide basis. (at least according to marx.) socialism does NOT have anything to do with communism.

to be on topic, John Lennon was a socialist.

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Lennon had been interested in left-wing politics since the late 1960s, and reportedly donated money to the Trotskyist Workers Revolutionary Party.


so yeah.
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i get what you are saying,

i must apologise for what i originally wrote, it was written in the sur of the moment and i did not proof read it so it came out to mean something entirely differnet from what i meant.

Basically all I was trying to say is that communism (which in alot of ways is merely an antithesis of capitalism) is derived from socialism, with various idealogical and philosophical interjections added and expanded (which are still being added to this day.)
The main point i was trying to make is that they are not so seperate as to warrant the opposing stigma's held on each term, as one is an evolutionary offshoot of the other.

I just simplified this as to get back to trying to help the guy out.