#1
hey guys,

im in a band and we have gigs about twice a month at places with somewhere between 40-400 people, i run a schecter c1 FR through a peavey 6505+ with no pedals

i was talking to the other bands after our show last night and they were saying that i wasnt cutting through, now when they say that, do they mean that my highs and mids aren't well.... cutting through? I've been getting kicked in the ass to buy an OD pedal for it to help

so..

Info on cutting through?

Good OD pedal?

random suggestions?

thanks in adv
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#2
Boost your mids
Where a bass guitar covers the lows, and drums cover the high treble noises, guitar has the 'cutting through' frequencies in its mids, so to cut through, you need to boost them more (an EQ pedal would help more than an overdrive in this case)...
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Maxon OD-9?
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Crank your amp. Way up.

Try a) boosting your mids
or b) boosting your treble

Not both, though. That would hurt.
#5
get an eq pedal, and MXR 10-band has gain, and are supposed to be the best, so it could serve as an OD as well
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ohhhhh well that makes sense, my mid is cut completly out when i play=)
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ohhhhh well that makes sense, my mid is cut completly out when i play=)


Don't scoop your mids - boost them You'll cut through a lot clearer
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i only have them cut because i love that "balls to the wall" palm muting sound i get out of it, if i rise my mids, i lost a handful of that
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^ Yea thats the problem (assuming you play metal :p with metal artists...
You need a happy compromise between ideal tone and cutting through...

What settings d'you use?
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i only have them cut because i love that "balls to the wall" palm muting sound i get out of it, if i rise my mids, i lost a handful of that


Don't do that anymore.

What sounds good to you at home -as you've been told- isn't cutting it live. Boosting your mids will cut you right thru, scooping them will get you lost in the mix. An eq pedal would probably be a good addition to your rig, so that you could keep the majority of your mids up, but still sculpt your tone a little more to your personal taste.
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^ Yea thats the problem (assuming you play metal :p with metal artists...
You need a happy compromise between ideal tone and cutting through...

What settings d'you use?


i have my gain at 7, lows at half, mids at 0, highs at half, res at 4, presence at 8
but now i brought my lows up a little, mids up, and my highs down a little and it sounds pretty good, but yes like ^^ said im probably going to look into getting an EQ pedal and find a mix between what i want, what sounds halfway decent, and what people can hear
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sorry for the double, but what more does an EQ have then the front of your head? deeper customization?
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lows at half, mids at 0, highs at half


Blech!

You're choking your amp. Put everything at half, and tweak from there - without lowering the mids at all! You can sculpt with an eg pedal, but you have to have your mids up first. Also, another good investment for any Peavey is new speakers. You may like your mids a lot better thru better ones. I could imagine the stock speakers muddying up.

But honestly, you may just need to get used to hearing your mids. Crank 'em up and practice like that.

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sorry for the double, but what more does an EQ have then the front of your head? deeper customization?


Yeah. You have control over more individual frequencies. That way, you can keep the mid-range up, but fine tune them more to your liking.
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Blech!

You're choking your amp. Put everything at half, and tweak from there - without lowering the mids at all! You can sculpt with an eg pedal, but you have to have your mids up first. Also, another good investment for any Peavey is new speakers. You may like your mids a lot better thru better ones. I could imagine the stock speakers muddying up.

But honestly, you may just need to get used to hearing your mids. Crank 'em up and practice like that.

edit:


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Yeah. You have control over more individual frequencies. That way, you can keep the mid-range up, but fine tune them more to your liking.



this could be interesting, im always up for trying completly new ideas!

and yes, i need a new cab, i use a used XXX cab, i mean it does the job, my rents have spent over 3000 on my music in the last two years so im really not going to complain haha.

thanks for the help guys, but really your killing me!

run downstairs, turn amp on, crank, run to the other side of the room, edit sound, run upstairs to check UG AND REPEAT!
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Try to sell the XXX cab and get a quality 2X12. Easy to transport and you can get them loaded with Celestion V30s for cheap at avatarspeakers. I'm not really a fan of V30s but they might be what you are looking for.


eh, v30's are good speakers, but i love the black widows or whatever they are, my other guitarist uses them in his crate cab and its just awasome
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ohhhhh well that makes sense, my mid is cut completly out when i play=)


Eww, that makes your amp sound like it's stuck in a giant tin can full of poo.

Try boosting your mids. If you're afraid boosted mids will hurt your br00t4lz, listen to Slayer and Converge, that's how boosted mids sound.
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#18
well,

i went downstairs, evened out everything, ( except my level!) and got a really nice sound out of my amp, and to be honest i really dont think i need any OD's or EQ's anymore, but ile have to see after my bands show at the stone pony on the 27th to see if that stays!
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well,

i went downstairs, evened out everything, ( except my level!) and got a really nice sound out of my amp, and to be honest i really dont think i need any OD's or EQ's anymore, but ile have to see after my bands show at the stone pony on the 27th to see if that stays!


Sounds good.

Another bit of advice - At your next gig, lower the bass and raise the treble and mids a bit from your "home tone" to make doubly sure you'll cut through. It won't sound very good on its own, in fact it might sound horrible, but it'll sound great in the mix with the rest of the band.
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Sounds good.

Another bit of advice - At your next gig, lower the bass and raise the treble and mids a bit from your "home tone" to make doubly sure you'll cut through. It won't sound very good on its own, in fact it might sound horrible, but it'll sound great in the mix with the rest of the band.



yeah great point, plus the fact that since my amp is tube and ile have a different tone at 4 different volumes i should really play with it there..
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#21
if your looking for an overdrive, digitech bad monkey works well with peaveys and is cheap at the same time. deffintly look into it but to agree with everyone else i had the SAME problem.

turning up my volume dosent help so my tone matured so to speak and i even boost my mids. take it from me scooped mids live makes your tone have no body at all and you wont put that thump in the audiences chest
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A good, easy upgrade is a speaker swap for that cab. Especially if it's front loaded (front loaded cabs FTW.)

IIRC, the XXX Cab uses Sheffields. No one likes those.

If I was running that rig, I'd throw 2 Emi Legends and 2 Emi Swamp Thangs in an X pattern in there.
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Old thread guys.


I was like slats is back. but sadly no

so Old thread let it die
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Old thread guys.


I was like slats is back. but sadly no

so Old thread let it die


Dang someone went pages deep to dig this one up. This one's over a year old fellas.
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