#1
I think they are... So why would it be named 2 different things?

F Ionian V V V

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php?qqq=FULL&scch=F&scchnam=Ionian&get2=Get

F Major V V V

http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php?qqq=FULL&scch=F&scchnam=Major&get2=Get


I have a music theory class and school and shes teaching us on how to build triads and I IV V chords and such. I was just curious about some of the stuff we learned in theory and i just happen to notice this... Oh last question.. Is there any other scales that are the same but with different names?
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#3
This will start another epic argument on this subject, but in my opinion, no. Modal music is not key-based music - Ionian is not the same thing as major, and it's much more limiting. Do not use those terms interchangeably.

The notes are the same but they imply different things. They are not exactly the same thing.
#4
ya its just easier and more obvious to say major


and seriously? IS the Ionian and Major scales the same? this doesnt sound wrong to you?
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ya its just easier and more obvious to say major

Not if you're playing modal music. If you're playing modal music, it's Ionian and not major.
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ya its just easier and more obvious to say major


and seriously? IS the Ionian and Major scales the same? this doesnt sound wrong to you?


yes probably... suppose to be "Is"......... waiiittt.... oh i get it. Its suppose to be "ARE the scales the same"

fail.
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they are both the same, but the major scale is just what western music refers to the ionian scale by. the minor scale also refers to the aeolian scale
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they are both the same, but the major scale is just what western music refers to the ionian scale by. the minor scale also refers to the aeolian scale

Major does not refer to Ionian, minor does not refer to Aeolian. They have the same notes, but major and minor imply key-based music, and Ionian and Aeolian implies modal music. Like I said, the terms aren't interchangeable.

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ionian is a major scale, like lydian and mixolydian


How are Lydian and mixolydian the same?
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How are Lydian and mixolydian the same?

He didn't explain it too well, but he's correct. Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian are major modes.
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He didn't explain it too well, but he's correct. Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian are major modes.


I completely understand now how Major and Ionian are the same but also different just depends how you are using them.

But by Lydian and Mixolydian are the same exactly how? Because A Lydian and A Mixolydian have different notes.
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I completely understand now how Major and Ionian are the same but also different just depends how you are using them.

But by Lydian and Mixolydian are the same exactly how? Because A Lydian and A Mixolydian have different notes.

Ionian, Lydian and Mixolydian are major modes because they have major tonic chords (1 3 5). Dorian, Phrygian and Aeolian are minor because they have minor tonic chords (1 b3 5). Locrian has a diminished tonic chord (1 b3 b5); some consider it a minor mode, but I personally don't.
#15
ok cool i get it now. I understand theory alot better now. I tried to learn through the internet but they were giving me sooo much information at one time and it was way to hard to learn from that. But at my school i am in a music theory class and they go step by step. First it was how to find the key it is in by looking at the sharps and flats in the staff. Then a couple other things. then how to find the minor then make minor scales. Melodic and Harmonic and Natural. Then right now we are learning how to build triads and such. So i get this stuff now. And i find Thanks for your help
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I completely understand now how Major and Ionian are the same but also different just depends how you are using them.

But by Lydian and Mixolydian are the same exactly how? Because A Lydian and A Mixolydian have different notes.


Lydian & Mixolydian are not exactly the same. The are both Major modes, but they have different formulas, sound different, and are applied differently. I would strongly suggest getting a firm grasp on key based music before trying to understand modes and their applications.

The Ionian mode (modal scale) and the Major scale are Identical. however modal music is different than key based music. If your just looking at the 2 scales.... they will have the same notes, same formulas, and sound the same. again, I wouldnt worry about the differences yet. stick with Major and minor, and follow your class. dont try to jump ahead. thats where alot of problems come from.

If your just learning to build chords on the major scale, and are just learning about I IV V chords....... focus on that.
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