#3
well...

1. why does it matter? quality is quality.
2. Art & Lutherie, Seagull, Norman, Simon & Patrick
#4
Washburns are made in China. If thats really a requirement, then Captivate has the ticket on this one.

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Partscaster/Tele into a bunch of pedals, a Maz 18 head, and a Z Best cab.
#6
Alvarez is made in Korea. I have the PD80S professional series model and love it. New it is $470.
#7
Honestly, does it really matter where the country of origin is? I'm sure theres bad chinese acoustics, but I'm equally sure that there are good ones.
#9
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#10
LAG easily. So much for such a little price. I've got the summer parlour bodied electro-acoustic. Cost me £250 and i tried everything up to £400 in the search of a good acoustic and this thing killed everything.
#11
Thanks very much everyone!

human panda - I thought Epiphone went from Korea to China - no? I might have misunderstood what I read...

I don't think a chinese guitar will necessarily be made poorly, but while I'm no jingoist -- not by a long shot -- I think it's good to buy American-made products; and if not american, then a product made in a country that is known for their high-quality products rather than generally quite the opposite. My husband and I don't have a whole lot of money so when I buy things that cost more than a certain amount, I often think in terms of re-sale value (what's easiest to sell due to having a good reputation). ...Which is not to say I'd have any intention of selling my guitar anytime soon -- not after the time/effort put into researching prior to purchasing! But who knows, I could find myself upgrading sooner than later.

Right now someone's offering me a guitar and case, barely used and bought last september, which is not the ideal guitar for me but will be so inexpensive I'm really considering it (my husband JUST found out he might be laid off June 1st so I can't be too selfish/stupid): it's the Epiphone Masterbilt DR-500 M. I really didn't want the "M" factor but the price should be right for me at somewhere just below $200.00. Please tell me now if $200.00 is what it would have cost new...cause if so, I need to be prepared to offer less. ;-) I thought that particular wood might have a fuller and richer sound which wouldn't necessarily be bad...it might be nice with the right kind of strings for added "brightness" eh?

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=221&CollectionID=15

Thanks..
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#12
Quote by corndogggy
Alvarez is made in Korea. I have the PD80S professional series model and love it. New it is $470.



Its actually made in China...I'm nearly positive. My MD90 (the next series up) was made in China, so I imagine that the lower series would be too.

Gear:
Partscaster/Tele into a bunch of pedals, a Maz 18 head, and a Z Best cab.
#14
umm... for resale value, you arent going to get much back, no matter what brand you get, they just wont hold much of their value because they ARE relatively "cheap" guitars. it's not really until you pay in the 1000 or over that you really need to be concerned about that, in my opinion. i could be wrong, but that's what my thoughts on resale are right now.
#16
Quote by Theresse
Thanks very much everyone!

human panda - I thought Epiphone went from Korea to China - no? I might have misunderstood what I read...

I don't think a chinese guitar will necessarily be made poorly, but while I'm no jingoist -- not by a long shot -- I think it's good to buy American-made products; and if not american, then a product made in a country that is known for their high-quality products rather than generally quite the opposite. My husband and I don't have a whole lot of money so when I buy things that cost more than a certain amount, I often think in terms of re-sale value (what's easiest to sell due to having a good reputation). ...Which is not to say I'd have any intention of selling my guitar anytime soon -- not after the time/effort put into researching prior to purchasing! But who knows, I could find myself upgrading sooner than later.

Right now someone's offering me a guitar and case, barely used and bought last september, which is not the ideal guitar for me but will be so inexpensive I'm really considering it (my husband JUST found out he might be laid off June 1st so I can't be too selfish/stupid): it's the Epiphone Masterbilt DR-500 M. I really didn't want the "M" factor but the price should be right for me at somewhere just below $200.00. Please tell me now if $200.00 is what it would have cost new...cause if so, I need to be prepared to offer less. ;-) I thought that particular wood might have a fuller and richer sound which wouldn't necessarily be bad...it might be nice with the right kind of strings for added "brightness" eh?

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=221&CollectionID=15

Thanks..


http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EMM5NSNH/

Make sure there's nothing wrong with it.
Because that's less than half price plus a case...
#17
Quote by roamingbard13
Its actually made in China...I'm nearly positive. My MD90 (the next series up) was made in China, so I imagine that the lower series would be too.


I can take a picture of my "made in Korea" tag if you don't believe me. Mine is in fact a few years old though, maybe they changed it.
#18
^ Pretty sure they did. I know Dave is a mod over on the Alvarez forums, so I'm sure he has the correct information for current production.

I bought my guitar in march of...'05? So I would guess the switchover may have been right before then.

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Partscaster/Tele into a bunch of pedals, a Maz 18 head, and a Z Best cab.
#20
not sure if you can buy any acoustics under that price without them being made in an eastern country.
i was gonna say ovation but i dont no where their made to know if its china of not.
#21
Yeah I was under the impression that the masterworks and professional series like mine were still made in Korea. I figured the cheaper ones were but switching those two lines over to China is surprising.
#22
whats wrong with buying your acoustic from china???
i dont play acoustic but just wondered why
#23
Quote by Blanco
whats wrong with buying your acoustic from china???
i dont play acoustic but just wondered why


The one chinese guitar I had, a $630 Ibanez Artwood, I had to send it back. They used wood for the neck that had not dried out all the way so there was a kink in it, which made some frets buzz.

Plus, china just doesn't get the whole human rights thing, so factories over there are often really bad conditions, so everybody had this image of their beloved acoustic made completely without love in a sweatshop environment. Not exaggerating, they are notorious for doing stuff like making a pregnant lady run laps in a 100 degree Nike factory because she went to the restroom during her 4 hour stretch between breaks.

Plus, Chinese stuff just sucks in general. Go into a Chinese tool store sometime, it's junk. It's soft metal that has alot of impurities in it, and everything else is cheap because they take shortcuts. Everything they make is like that, cheaper, but usually poorer quality.

Plus, China could literally bankrupt us at any given time, and continuing to buy stuff from China just makes the trade deficit and their bank accounts even larger.

Given all of this, it kills your resale value, used Chinese guitars just aren't worth much at all.
#24
Quote by Blanco
not sure if you can buy any acoustics under that price without them being made in an eastern country.
i was gonna say ovation but i dont no where their made to know if its china of not.


Some Ovations are produced in Connecticut, but I'd imagine many of them are also produced elsewhere in the world.
#25
Quote by corndogggy
The one chinese guitar I had, a $630 Ibanez Artwood, I had to send it back. They used wood for the neck that had not dried out all the way so there was a kink in it, which made some frets buzz.

Plus, china just doesn't get the whole human rights thing, so factories over there are often really bad conditions, so everybody had this image of their beloved acoustic made completely without love in a sweatshop environment. Not exaggerating, they are notorious for doing stuff like making a pregnant lady run laps in a 100 degree Nike factory because she went to the restroom during her 4 hour stretch between breaks.

Plus, Chinese stuff just sucks in general. Go into a Chinese tool store sometime, it's junk. It's soft metal that has alot of impurities in it, and everything else is cheap because they take shortcuts. Everything they make is like that, cheaper, but usually poorer quality.

Plus, China could literally bankrupt us at any given time, and continuing to buy stuff from China just makes the trade deficit and their bank accounts even larger.

Given all of this, it kills your resale value, used Chinese guitars just aren't worth much at all.


Ha - I love it Corndoggy - you pretty much said everything I didn't dare say because I didn't want to "go there." You know the saying "I like [fill in the blank - in this case Chinese] people...some of my closest friends are [fill in the blank - in this case, Chinese]." ? (so disgusting, that saying) but it's true nonetheless...I have nothing against people from China. Just products, working conditions, and all the other reasons you mentioned (at this point in time).
#26
the reason you had to send that ibanez artwood back wasnt because it was made in china. it was because it's an ibanez acoustic, LOL. i've never heard of any other brands made in china except for ibanez having lots of major problems.

and besides that... like i said before... the resale value on any guitar under $1000 wont be great either, so i dont know if that should really be counted as a valid point.

what i do agree with however, is that china usually makes pretty crappy products. they have imitation everything. they have horrible human rights laws. it sickens me to my very core. i actually dont like china very much. ohh yea, i am chinese.
#27
Quote by corndogggy
The one chinese guitar I had, a $630 Ibanez Artwood, I had to send it back. They used wood for the neck that had not dried out all the way so there was a kink in it, which made some frets buzz.

Plus, china just doesn't get the whole human rights thing, so factories over there are often really bad conditions, so everybody had this image of their beloved acoustic made completely without love in a sweatshop environment. Not exaggerating, they are notorious for doing stuff like making a pregnant lady run laps in a 100 degree Nike factory because she went to the restroom during her 4 hour stretch between breaks.

Plus, Chinese stuff just sucks in general. Go into a Chinese tool store sometime, it's junk. It's soft metal that has alot of impurities in it, and everything else is cheap because they take shortcuts. Everything they make is like that, cheaper, but usually poorer quality.

Plus, China could literally bankrupt us at any given time, and continuing to buy stuff from China just makes the trade deficit and their bank accounts even larger.

Given all of this, it kills your resale value, used Chinese guitars just aren't worth much at all.

Absolute bollocks. First of all, if you're so concerned with everyone buying from China, try living there. I found it to be a great experience, and I have yet to find anyone who lives there to find anything bad to say about it (even my brother, an outspoken critic of the government, loves living there and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world). When asked about communism, many of the older citizens who were around for the cultural revolution said something to the effect of: "Sure, we never really had a lot. We didn't have a TV, or anything, but neither did anyone else. We were really never jealous of it. What we were happy about was that we always had something to eat and we never had to worry about being killed for our land. It could've gone much better, but we were happy it happened at all."

I've been to China. Almost everything made in a factory that has some sort of defect is sold to street vendors who in turn sell to citizens. Anything that's an import is all under the control of the vendor. In Epiphone's case, they setup and inspect (and VERY reliably) all instruments in the US. Any that they find defective are promptly junked. Epiphone's quality control far exceeds at least 80% of the instrument companies today.

Edit: and I have no problem with the working conditions. We have the exact same thing going on here, but no one ever talks about it. In neighborhoods made from minorities and illegals, sweatshops and illegal prostitution rings open up overnight. What I do have a problem with is every political cantidate for the US (except Huckabee) complaining about how we have to stop China from doing this or that. It's THEIR country, not ours. I'm sick of playing World Police.
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#28
So Chad, do you know much about tools? You like those Chinese tools? Just wondering.

A native Chinese man who cuts my hair has a daughter that goes to school with mine so I talk to him alot, it got so bad over there he got the hell out and moved here 10 years ago. I think I'll take his word for it.

Wonder if people in Tibet has such a nice view of China? You know, there's a good reason why these Olympic protests are going on.
#29
Quote by Chad48309
What I do have a problem with is every political cantidate for the US (except Huckabee) complaining about how we have to stop China from doing this or that. It's THEIR country, not ours. I'm sick of playing World Police.


They can do their own thing until it interferes with us.... and it is. Do you not remember when all those dogs were killed due to Chinese companies putting that fake ingredient that was derived from coal into dog food so that tests would show false levels of protein? Stuff like this is typical. Do you not remember the multiple times that they had toy recalls due to a Chinese company covering the toys with lead paint? All kinds of stuff like this is going on. Yes, it's time for somebody to crack down on this bull**** a little more.

With that in mind, I've got to say... it's OUR country, not THEIRS.
#30
Ah yes, just another typical day in America, where smog is so bad in most any city that you can't even see 2 blocks:











Oh, wait, that's China. My bad.
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#31
Quote by corndogggy
They can do their own thing until it interferes with us.... and it is. Do you not remember when all those dogs were killed due to Chinese companies putting that fake ingredient that was derived from coal into dog food so that tests would show false levels of protein? Stuff like this is typical. Do you not remember the multiple times that they had toy recalls due to a Chinese company covering the toys with lead paint? All kinds of stuff like this is going on. Yes, it's time for somebody to crack down on this bull**** a little more.

With that in mind, I've got to say... it's OUR country, not THEIRS.


With both of those incidents... yes, it was their fault for creating such products, but it is also the responsibility of those who buy the product to have strict standards with what they import. The people in China are just trying to get ahead to survive in this economically driven world.

No, that's not a good enough reason for why they should be creating products like the way they have been(there is no reason good enough to justify it), but who are we to judge them? Can you guarantee that you wouldn't do the same thing if you were in their social, economical, and political situation? If you say yes, then you're a liar.

Anyway... let's stop bickering about China. I think this is quite enough for today. You two can message each other and do it or save it for elsewhere/another time.

This is the acoustic guitar forum.
#32
Quote by captivate
Can you guarantee that you wouldn't do the same thing if you were in their social, economical, and political situation?


What social, economical, and political situation? According to Chad, it's a bed of roses over there.
#33
Quote by corndogggy
What social, economical, and political situation? According to Chad, it's a bed of roses over there.


There are good and bad sides to China that you see and do not see. Being chinese... and also living within a chinese community here in Toronto, I hear and experience the goods and bads... It's not quite a bed of roses, nor is it a flaming hell of turmoil.

Anyway... Let's stop this for today. Shall we?
#34
Quote by captivate
There are good and bad sides to China that you see and do not see. Being chinese... and also living within a chinese community here in Toronto, I hear and experience the goods and bads... It's not quite a bed of roses, nor is it a flaming hell of turmoil.

Anyway... Let's stop this for today. Shall we?

Thank you. I just now looked at this thread, so I didn't have time to respond to all of this. Having been to China, I can say that the smog in Beijing is certainly on par with Los Angeles. I also agree that its the business of the vendor to check what products they are going to sell in the US. If they don't want China's good, then they shouldn't buy them. Again, I never said it was a bed of roses, but it's not as bad as Nigeria or any place like that. Also, the situation with Tibet is GROSSLY inflated, and I haven't seen one Western news agency tell the truth of the situation. Not only are they using pictures of the Nepalese police and claiming that it's the Chinese police, but they're outright lying about conflicts that never even happened (my brother said that during a conflict that supposedly occurred, he was eating a handfruit and taking photographs in this exact same spot. It never happened).

I'm not going to say that things like this don't happen, but I'm not going to buy into Western media's crap view of China.

Edit: Sorry Captivate. I'm done.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#35
Boy I sure know how to stir things up wherever I go! Ibanez, China, what next??!

I finally got a guitar tonight. I'll post about it on a new thread, in hopes of closing this one (and the subject of China) up...