#1
Inspired by a thread i just read about perfect pitch i decided upon going to http://www.good-ear.com/servlet/EarTrainer

And i got 34 out of 67 right. At first i started with the chromatic scale then went to just C,D, and E. Which i got pretty much 25 of them right. but then i tried full c scale and then bombed. Then i figured out that i am WAAYYYY better at figuring out the notes when they are lower and not the high pitched ones.

See how you guys do. I can already see i am going to get dominated. (You dont have to do 67... i was getting determined...)
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#2
It's not that your perfect pitch is horrible... it's just that you don't have it
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#3
I suck at it as well.

Perfect pitch is not learned. You are born with it. However, you will find the tools on there useful for developing your relative pitch, which is vital for any musician (except a drummer...wait, I said musician).
#4
20 out of 20 :p
Seriously, though, relative pitch is just as useful as perfect pitch, and can be trained more easily.
^Perfect pitch can be trained, and some trials have shown that the vast majority of people are born with it. Sometimes it is lost, or rather hidden, and its just a question of coaxing it out.
#6
Yeah, it told me what I already know: I have no perfect pitch.
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I suck at it as well.

Perfect pitch is not learned. You are born with it. However, you will find the tools on there useful for developing your relative pitch, which is vital for any musician (except a drummer...wait, I said musician).


BOOOOOOOOOOO...

Anyway, I'm not even going to attempt the test. I'll use the time I save to develop decent relative pitch...
#8
I had 25 out of 25 on the full chromatic scale.. then I got bored.


but I don't have perfect pitch...

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I did 75 questions on the "chromatic tones" one, 75 correct. But I have perfect pitch so it's essentially cheating

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I guess it is possible then, because I think I've developed it.

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#10
actually i have great realtive pitch. If just my e string is tuned correctly i can do the rest to the adjacent string easily. Like, where my guitar will sound like i just used a tuner.... So yeah i have excellent relative pitch.... just not perfect pitch. Question tho, people with perfect pitch are the people who when someone makes a pitch somehow, they can find it right at first without going sharp or flat. because i cant do that. My ex girlfriend could figured out every single not i played on my guitar first try wiithout going sharp or flat. so does that mean she has perfect pitch? Shes in college now for singing... go figure.
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zep_n_gun: Yes, it's the ability to determine a pitch or give a pitch without an external reference. For example, if someone plays a note on a piano (or a group of notes), I'll immediately know which one or ones. Likewise, if someone says "sing an F", I will be able to do that without an external source.
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zep_n_gun: Yes, it's the ability to determine a pitch or give a pitch without an external reference. For example, if someone plays a note on a piano (or a group of notes), I'll immediately know which one or ones. Likewise, if someone says "sing an F", I will be able to do that without an external source.


for some reason youve answered all my questions these past couple of days.... correctly at that. you are now my hero. If someone tells my to sing a D i cant do it at all. If they play a d on piano, i CAN but i either go a littel sharp or flat at first then eventually find it. actually i usually go sharp every time.
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for some reason youve answered all my questions these past couple of days.... correctly at that. you are now my hero. If someone tells my to sing a D i cant do it at all. If they play a d on piano, i CAN but i either go a littel sharp or flat at first then eventually find it. actually i usually go sharp every time.

Wonderful, it's good to be somebody's hero!

Keep working on that, by the way, it's a very good way to train your ear and it'll only benefit you.
#14
28/32. At first I couldn't tell the difference but I've gotten better with time.
#15
lol, I got like 1 out of 12 and I moved on to the other sections. I'm doing surprisingly well on the jazz chords though. I did "all" and the only thing that generally trips me up is 13ths.
#16
i didnt even try the jazz chords. I am going to give them ago now....
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I suck at it as well.

Perfect pitch is not learned. You are born with it. However, you will find the tools on there useful for developing your relative pitch, which is vital for any musician (except a drummer...wait, I said musician).


Im not sure about the you have to be born with it debate. Relative pitch is identifying a note in relation to another note right? So then how is remebering a sound of a note over a period of time considered great relative pitch if you are using no refrence point? Say you set out every day to learn the e note but you just remember that note and dont use any other note to compare it to, you cant call that relative pitch can you? Its just like when I was a kid, I could always recognize the sound of my paerents car coming in the driveway because over a period of time my ear had tuned into the sound.
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#19
I did reasonably well but I played piano since I was 3 so I have really good relative pitch. It's not perfect but it's decent.
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#20
i wonder what you would call this:

i can rip all the strings off my guitar and retune, plug into a tuner, and come VERY close to where it should be (with NO reference pitch). i notice when an instrument is slightly out of tune (even so much that major 3rds sound out of tune bad)

if someone plays a note i cant actually name it.

though i never have worked with actual names (A B C...), i look at notes as scales. i still have to sit there and count out on a piano to find where say.. G is.

reference pitch? even though tuning wise i dont need reference?
#21
I tried the perfect pitch thing on the site and failed miserably. I need to work on that.
#22
Horrible perfect pitch?

You can't say you have horrible perfect pitch, that's an oxymoron, ergo making no sense.
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#23
Also, Perfect pitch IS something you can develop. you don't need to be born with it... Listen to the first Masterclass of David Lord Burges's course.
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#24
Guys, perfect pitch can not be learned. You must be born with it. The reason so many people believe it is easy to develop perfect pitch, is that once you've developed relative pitch, you can memorize the pitch of one or two notes.

Relative pitch is the ability to identify intervals, and consequently, notes, when referencing them to another pitch. So, for example, if a person had relative pitch, and had someone play a C, they would then be able identify any notes played afterwards, by referencing it to the note C. However, if a person with relative pitch was played a C and only a C, and not told what it was, they would not be able to identify the pitch.

HOWEVER- once a person has developed relative pitch very well, it is possible for them to memorize one or two notes, such as the low E on a guitar. After this pitch has been memorized, they can reference any note they hear to that low E, and determine the note through their relative pitch abilities. This creates the illusion of having developed perfect pitch- it is, in reality, relative pitch.
#25
A good trick to figure out some notes is to determine the lowest and highest notes of your vocal range. Sing the note you hear and try to determine how far away it is from the extremes of your range.
#26
7/20 I was pleasantly surprised when I had 7/14 but the next 6 killed me. I went through it without thinking too hard. The notes I know, I really know (like E), the others I just guess randomly.
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#27
I'm completely horribly at this. When set with 3 notes i did 10 of 10...give me the whole scale and im lost -_-...I tend to do better when it is lower as well
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Guys, perfect pitch can not be learned. You must be born with it. The reason so many people believe it is easy to develop perfect pitch, is that once you've developed relative pitch, you can memorize the pitch of one or two notes.

Relative pitch is the ability to identify intervals, and consequently, notes, when referencing them to another pitch. So, for example, if a person had relative pitch, and had someone play a C, they would then be able identify any notes played afterwards, by referencing it to the note C. However, if a person with relative pitch was played a C and only a C, and not told what it was, they would not be able to identify the pitch.

HOWEVER- once a person has developed relative pitch very well, it is possible for them to memorize one or two notes, such as the low E on a guitar. After this pitch has been memorized, they can reference any note they hear to that low E, and determine the note through their relative pitch abilities. This creates the illusion of having developed perfect pitch- it is, in reality, relative pitch.

Again, it can be learned. I developed the ability at 16 and I never have to refer to any kind of external source for pitch. What's that ability called? Perfect pitch.
#29
I think you're not understanding what he's trying to say. It's not reference to an external source that makes it relative pitch, it's remembering a pitch in your head (like an E on a guitar for example) and using that to determine pitch. If someone played a G, you could think of the E and mentally sing up the scale and know it's a G.

I can tune my violin without a tuner; I know when the strings sound right, but I don't have perfect pitch. If someone played a random note on the piano, I couldn't tell them what note it is without having to mentally find an A. Just because I can find the A without them playing it for me doesn't mean it's perfect pitch, it just means I know what an A sounds like.
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I think you're not understanding what he's trying to say. It's not reference to an external source that makes it relative pitch, it's remembering a pitch in your head (like an E on a guitar for example) and using that to determine pitch. If someone played a G, you could think of the E and mentally sing up the scale and know it's a G.

Again, that's not what I do. I don't "count up" so to speak, I just know the pitches. There's no thinking of that nature involved.
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I think you're not understanding what he's trying to say. It's not reference to an external source that makes it relative pitch, it's remembering a pitch in your head (like an E on a guitar for example) and using that to determine pitch. If someone played a G, you could think of the E and mentally sing up the scale and know it's a G.

I can tune my violin without a tuner; I know when the strings sound right, but I don't have perfect pitch. If someone played a random note on the piano, I couldn't tell them what note it is without having to mentally find an A. Just because I can find the A without them playing it for me doesn't mean it's perfect pitch, it just means I know what an A sounds like.



and knowing what Asound likeis different from perfect pitch because???

o i get it if i just play the note A, once for D(that is smiley) and he says that is A it is reletive pitch

but if i play the note A for someone born with perfect pitch and they say A that must be because they are born with a supernatural ability to recognise notes OMG

this is nature vs nuture debate which in turn both have effects

o yeah and the biggest BS people with perfect pitch from birth just have to regognise what the notes actually are where as other peolpe cannot do that.whooo sounds do complicated. there is nothing similiar there.

the weakest points here is that you guys say D has some point of reference and i really don't see that i play A he here's A correct end of story.

the real arguement is if he can tell whether it is out of tune a little or not and that is perfect pitch not a relitive point to regognise other notes around it






EDIT perfect pitch is someone that regongnises A dead on and can hear when it is off by Xamt. of cents where as someone with relitive pitch will recognise a note as A and will not hear when it is off by Xamt. of cents

but the beginning was just to argue lol

EDIT2 even with that said there is no reason why someone couldn't learn this skill.


that is just the difference between them. any human skill is not limited to a nature ability for a fully functioning human being.

if you are not born with a skill it can be aquired.

for example human1 is born stong and stays strong fo the remainder of his life. human2 is born weak and trains and becomes as strong as human1 for the remainder of his life. 2 worked harder but achieved the same goal.
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