#1
I've come across this problem in the bands I've played with a few times. Many people will say to follow the kick drum, but what happens when the drummer is inconsistent with when he hits the kick? I'm not talking about dealing with a drummer who can't keep time, but a drummer who changes his pattern and little fills from measure to measure.

When I first started playing, I only played with the kick, and only root notes, but I played with a drummer who was consistent. As I got better, I started to ignore the kick and do my own thing. Now I'm playing with the kick more and I'm playing with different drummers who are inconsistent.

So my question to you tonight is two part: How do I deal with a drummer who is inconsistent? And how do I still do my own thing with my own fills while still trying to lock in with the kick?
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#3
wow, it's not that hard. You have to feel the beat. It shouldn't matter if the drummer is there or not.
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#5
You don't have to play a note EVERY time the kick hits...
and you can even play when the Kick doesn't...
but like muse-ik said, just keep time for yourself.
#6
you need to get better at handling anything that is thrown at you. thats improvising.
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#7
I do that, it's not like I can't keep time without a drummer, I was just wondering how to get it to sound good and cohesive and tight when the drummer is being inconsistent.
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#9
the only way to get better at imrpvosing is improvising so just keep working at it
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#10
I've been in the same boat, played with a drummer who was just very consistent...easy as hell to play along...all of a sudden i got another drummer who is much better and plays crazy fills and weird beats and makes it harder....but just keep your own time and keep the foot movin on the beat, and most of all have confidence...i only lose beat when i overthink it
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#14
Listen to some jazz. We are all over the place in that genre of music. I'm 46 and have been playing like 40 years now. I am all over the place just for the fact it gets boring otherwise.Just stick with the same drummer if you can. You both will develope your own repoire.
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#15
drummers are just people, that own a set of drums. their talent varies like any other musician. i say discuss your issues with the drummer. you need him, and he needs you. together you can conquer the world. apart? well, thats just noise. been there!
learning and growing together is what makes it a band. good luck!
#17
Modernp you've hit the gist there. To the TS, you and the drummer need to ply together more to develop a cohesiveness and thus, start locking together. The more you play together, the tighter it will become and you'll be able to push and pull the beat around a bit, without it sounding like you are fighting for rhythm domination.

What I would recommend is that just the two of you jam alone frequently. Its a great way for you two to work on playing together and for you as the bassist (and they as the drummer) to work on improv as well.
#18
Thanks guys. I don't really have a problem with keeping on time, I just worry we don't sound as tight and professional if I'm not locked into the kick, playing a note every time he hits it. I get that I don't have to only play when he plays and play every time he does, but it sounds nicer, I guess.

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Listen to some jazz. We are all over the place in that genre of music. I'm 46 and have been playing like 40 years now. I am all over the place just for the fact it gets boring otherwise.Just stick with the same drummer if you can. You both will develope your own repoire.

I've been thinking about getting into jazz, who would you recommend? From what I've heard, I like less poppy jazz and more experimental stuff. Softer, darker jazz is what I seem to favor, but I've heard more upbeat, crazy stuff I liked as well. I've heard some jazz, I just couldn't tell you who I was listening to.
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Monster Bass Cable, 21'

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#20
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The Kick Drum? Isn't it a bass drum?

Either one is acceptable.
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#21
None of the drummers i play with(amazing as they are(in terms of drummers)) play a song the same way twice, and neither should you. there should be a bit of fluidity with it, just experiment a bit and be creative, while at the same time keeping a solid rhythm/groove.