#1
My mom bought this guitar new in 64 (man I wish she would have gotten a Martin) J/K
I can remember back when I was young, she took it to a shop because it was bowing behind the bridge. He installed some type of wooden dowel in the body that straightened the body right out. My question to any experts that might read this: Now that years have passed and the top has been "de-bowed", can that contraption be removed? I don't remember what it's called but I might be able to find out if that would help. It is the red Gibson toward the left.
#4
Ok, maybe it's the picture. I'm sure that you see a Gibson acoustic in that picture. I think it's called sunburst, looks red to me. Would someone like to help me maybe or is everyone just going to keep posting "red guitar"???
#5
guys, don't be smartasses. it is more than clear which guitar he is talking about. if you can't tell then you obviously have no relevant knowledge of the topic anyway and you shouldn't be posting.

can you take a picture of the "contraption"?
#6
Thanks man, I will try to get a pic but I'm not sure if you'll be able to see esp. w/ strings on.
#7
What are the reasons behind wanting to remove said contraption? Also I hate you for having better guitars than me.
#8
They could have installed a bridge truss system in the guitar. I don't know if they were around in the '60's or not, but possible. This is what one looks like from the interior of the guitar:



This is the current day version of it. It's called the "Bridgedoctor". Breedlove uses them in some of their new instruments. They prevent bellying up of the area of the top just behind the bridge.
I'd be hesitant of removing it on that old of a guitar. What's your reasoning for wanting to take it out? If the guitar sounds and plays nice, leave it be.
#9
It's a beautiful guitar! Looks like a sunburst that has faded spectacularly! If you remove the dowel what's gonna prevent the bridge from bowing again? Does it sound as good as it looks?
#11
(man I wish she would have gotten a Martin)
Incidentally, I see bridge sagging on vintage Martins more often than on Gibsons, especially 000s.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#12
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They could have installed a bridge truss system in the guitar. I don't know if they were around in the '60's or not, but possible. This is what one looks like from the interior of the guitar:



This is the current day version of it. It's called the "Bridgedoctor". Breedlove uses them in some of their new instruments. They prevent bellying up of the area of the top just behind the bridge.
I'd be hesitant of removing it on that old of a guitar. What's your reasoning for wanting to take it out? If the guitar sounds and plays nice, leave it be.

Thanks so much, I think that is what it is. I think it was installed in the 80s. I don't know for sure about having it taken out, I was just thinking that "maybe" it's done it's job and maybe the sound would improve without it. I'm really not worried about the value being compromised by it being there, because I never plan on selling it. It sounds fantastic but lacks the ballsy bass tone that I would think it would have (that's why I joked about the whole Martin thing). It sounds much better than my Taks of course but I've played higher end Martins that blow it away. They have one identical to it at the G/C by where I work for $4K. I think I'll just work on getting a Martin to add to the group.
#13
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Thanks so much, I think that is what it is. I think it was installed in the 80s. I don't know for sure about having it taken out, I was just thinking that "maybe" it's done it's job and maybe the sound would improve without it. I'm really not worried about the value being compromised by it being there, because I never plan on selling it. It sounds fantastic but lacks the ballsy bass tone that I would think it would have (that's why I joked about the whole Martin thing). It sounds much better than my Taks of course but I've played higher end Martins that blow it away. They have one identical to it at the G/C by where I work for $4K. I think I'll just work on getting a Martin to add to the group.

Edit: Oh good Christ, I need to stop drinking in the morning. That's a J-45.

Because it's from the 60s when Gibson was making some seriously awful build decisions, it's not worth a great deal. It doesn't help that it's the most popular guitar Gibson ever made, so there are thousands floating around still today from any given year. They might fetch around $2000 in good condition.

It's not really a banjo-killer. They're renowned for their durability, not for their monstrous tone. Yours may be a J-45ADJ, meaning the bridge was converted from one of those god-awful adjustable bridges to a solid bridge. In this case, sagging is common from one of these fixes.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#14
Wow, so the asking price of the one @ Guitar Center for $4K is insane huh? I was offered $3K for this guitar about 10 years ago from a music store in Fla. It didn't matter because for reasons I won't bore you with, I couldn't sell it for any amount. (Unless it meant my kid eating out of a dumpster of course).
They have a black 1968 J-45 over there as well, it is in premo condition, and I think they want around the same. I wish I could get it for a couple grand.
#15
Quote by The Jomo
Wow, so the asking price of the one @ Guitar Center for $4K is insane huh? I was offered $3K for this guitar about 10 years ago from a music store in Fla. It didn't matter because for reasons I won't bore you with, I couldn't sell it for any amount. (Unless it meant my kid eating out of a dumpster of course).
They have a black 1968 J-45 over there as well, it is in premo condition, and I think they want around the same. I wish I could get it for a couple grand.

Guitar Center grossly overprices vintage instruments. I saw that they wanted $2500 for a poor condition LG-2 with a bolted-on pickguard and a crack in the back. It sounded terrible and was NOT worth the price. Elderly is a very fair assessment of the actual worth of a vintage instrument; they aren't stingy by any means, but they are very trustworthy.

I know how you feel; I own a 1960 Epiphone Granada hollowbody that belonged to my late uncle Mike, who I always felt a strong connection with, even though I never knew him.

Back to my original idea, though: it may have, at one point, been a J-45ADJ, which meant it had a bolted-on and adjustable bridge. These were HORRIBLE tone-killers and resulted (oftentimes) in sagging bridges and fractured bridge plates. This could be the source of your trouble, and in this case, it would be very unwise to remove the repair structure.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#16
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Wow, so the asking price of the one @ Guitar Center for $4K is insane huh? I was offered $3K for this guitar about 10 years ago from a music store in Fla. It didn't matter because for reasons I won't bore you with, I couldn't sell it for any amount. (Unless it meant my kid eating out of a dumpster of course).
They have a black 1968 J-45 over there as well, it is in premo condition, and I think they want around the same. I wish I could get it for a couple grand.



I played a 1974 Gibson J-45 at the GC in Lincoln NE. Price was $1399 and I got the impression they would come down from that. Wish I had the money. This one was is pretty good condition as well. Needed new strings.
#17
im not being a smartass that looks more like tobacco burst than anything, and what relevant knowledge have YOU supplied.
#18
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im not being a smartass that looks more like tobacco burst than anything, and what relevant knowledge have YOU supplied.

Did . . . did you just bitch at jimtaka? Sigh . . . you idiot.

First of all, since there is only one Gibson acoustic in that picture, it's obvious that he was referring to that guitar. Instead of responding with "I see that there are two covered holes in the bridge, which tells me that it was once adjustable, and there are frequent problems with this type of bridge" or providing anything of relevant interest, you simply said "red? where?"

This did not pertain AT ALL to the question he was asking. Stop wasting our time.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#20
i'm just gonna leave that one alone.

and just so you know... tona... i planned on supplying relevant knowledge after we identified exactly what the threadstarter was dealing with. it seems to have been confirmed that it is a birdge truss sytem and other users have already supplied sufficient advice for the guy. i didn't see any need to reiterate.
#21
Leave the Bridgedoctor in place...removing it could do all kinds of damage!
Life is too short to play a Takamine!
#22
Gotcha, thanks so much guys, I would never do anything that might harm this guitar. This guitar fed my family when I was a kid. My parents played for a living in Nashville when I was growing up. They never "made it" of course, but they made a living at it.