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i was going to put this in the game thread but i believe this is more about racism than games


N’Gai Croal believes teaser makes it ‘easy to misunderstand’ Capcom’s much-anticipated horror title

Newsweek journalist N’Gai Croal has questioned the thinking behind the way black people are represented in the trailer for Capcom’s Resident Evil 5.

In an interview with MTV, Croal attacked the teaser – which shows Caucasian hero Chris Redfield facing swathes of black zombies – for “dovetailing with classic racist imagery”.

“It taps into sort of this very racist iconography,” he said. “I think that’s the only way I’m describing it. I’m not saying that was their intent. But it seems that a lot of people who were up in arms about the trailer couldn’t see that and didn’t want to engage it."

However, Croal also commented that he would withold his judgement until he plays the full game, adding that he didn’t “want to put down the Capcom team that’s working on it”.

In his carefully worded answers, Croal also dealt with the subject of why he believes the trailer is more racially insensitive than Capcom’s Resident Evil 4 – in which the undead were of predominantly Hispanic origin.

In order to keep Croal’s quotes in context, MCV has replicated them in full below. You can find the same at MTV’s Multiplayer page.

MTV: I wanted to ask you about the “Resident Evil 5″ trailer…

I looked at the “Resident Evil 5″ trailer and I was like, “Wow, clearly no one black worked on this game.” Because I wonder, and I haven’t sort of really dug into it that much, but I wonder what sort of advice Capcom gave them. The point isn’t that you can’t have black zombies. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery. What was not funny, but sort of interesting, was that there were so many gamers who could not at all see it. Like literally couldn’t see it. So how could you have a conversation with people who don’t understand what you’re talking about and think that you’re sort of seeing race where nothing exists?

There was stuff like even before the point in the trailer where the crowd turned into zombies. There sort of being, in sort of post-modern parlance, they’re sort of “othered.” They’re hidden in shadows, you can barely see their eyes, and the perspective of the trailer is not even someone who’s coming to help the people. It’s like they’re all dangerous; they all need to be killed. It’s not even like one cute African — or Haitian or Caribbean — child could be saved. They’re all dangerous men, women and children. They all have to be killed. And given the history, given the not so distant post-colonial history, you would say to yourself, why would you uncritically put up those images? It’s not as simple as saying, “Oh, they shot Spanish zombies in ‘Resident Evil 4,’ and now ‘black zombies and that’s why people are getting upset.” The imagery is not the same. It doesn’t carry the same history, it doesn’t carry the same weight. I don’t know how to explain it more clearly than that.

I think the audience isn’t demanding much change. They like the games they’re playing. They’re by and large comfortable with the amounts of stereotypes in their games. You know because another thing that you sort of have gamers run into in situations like this is that, “Oh it’s just a game.” [laughs] You know, if it’s just a game, then why do we care about how culturally relevant they are? I care about how culturally relevant they are. I take games as seriously as other art forms.

If there were a movie that had those images, I’d question it. I’d really want to know what’s going on in this movie. Like where is this coming from? So we hadn’t seen much of the game. It was just a trailer. If it had been me in that situation, I wouldn’t have put out a trailer like that. I think it’s very easy to misunderstand what that game is about based on that trailer. And while I would certainly withhold final judgment, if that’s all the game is, I’d be concerned about that.



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trailer

Trailer 2


i saw this trailer ages ago and was not aware of the controversy


but i fail to see how depicting black people as zombies is racist


what does the pit think?

(sorry if this is old news or whatever, i did a search and found nothing.)
#2
I can't be bothered to read all if that, can you sum it up, because I see no black zombies. Only silhouettes.

EDIT: Saw the second trailer. Didn't think it was racist at all.
#4
Black people are oversensitive concerning racism. It'll blow over.

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#5
i could barely tell they were black, the sun makes it hard to tell all you can see is silhouettes
#6
The game is set in Africa lol.
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I can't be bothered to read all if that, can you sum it up, because I see no black zombies. Only silhouettes.



i added second railer with black people/zombies being kiled


apparently a white character killing black zombies is unfair

and depicting blacks as zombies is negative stereotyping


and yes it is set in Africa
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Well i think its just some bored people that wanted something to do... SO they decided to pick on capcom
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#9
So, in RE4 you can blow up spanish guys, but if you do it with african/black guys, you are called racist?
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#10
yeah it woulda been racist if the game was made in the 70's or somethin
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#11
Black people are oversensitive concerning racism. It'll blow over.


More often than not, it's white people being oversensitive about racism when the ethnicity in question doesn't give a 10 inch ****.

I honestly don't give a **** what they say, so long as they don't stop me from getting this game.
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...Yet it was fine to use a semi-retarded protagonist in RE4 who could only jump from high ledges instead of climbing down ladders?
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I can definitely see how people take it as racist. It makes total sense, a white guy going in to kill black zombies. But really it's not that bad, people just need to not be dumbasses. The only thing that makes it racist is people's mentality.
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#16
I honestly believe that this is a bunch of bs. If the term racism didn't exist we wouldnt have nearly as many problems with race as we do today. One who isnt racist may see those zombies as just zombies. Saying they are BLACK zombies just stirrs s**t up. Honestly, you could make those zombies blue and purple, but people will complain that its not real enough. Don't look at it as a bunch of black people getting killed, look at it more as a bunch of people. Thats what I do and I get along with everyone. Its people that use colors to classify people that are racist, they need to open their eyes. Curse words towards another race is different, thats what I would consider racist.
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Black people should stop feeling oppressed. Sometimes, a zombie is just a zombie, regardless of skin colour. He's killing zombies....not black people.

And yeah,if Capcom were not to have any black characters, they would say that Capcom is racist too.
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a) Does the game take place in Africa?

b) Get over it you fucking pieces of shit.

Just exercise your right as a consumer to not purchase the product if it offends you.


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#22
i am black and i really can't see what the big deal is about. you play as a white guy killing blacks because the main characters of Resident Evil games have always been white, on top of that this is a returning character, and since the game is set in Africa it would be strange if all the zombies were white.
#23
meh, the racism was all created by people's paranoid thoughts. IMO, racism doesn't even exist. not in this way . it's just a guy killing zombies. why does it have to be about white or black? why can't it just be violence? ****. humanity is just getting stupider and stupider .
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i am black and i really can't see what the big deal is about. you play as a white guy killing blacks because the main characters of Resident Evil games have always been white, on top of that this is a returning character, and since the game is set in Africa it would be strange if all the zombies were white.

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i am black and i really can't see what the big deal is about. you play as a white guy killing blacks because the main characters of Resident Evil games have always been white, on top of that this is a returning character, and since the game is set in Africa it would be strange if all the zombies were white.


You = sensible.

And yeah, that "Black zombie killing a white man" comment is genius.
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More often than not, it's white people being oversensitive about racism when the ethnicity in question doesn't give a 10 inch ****.

I honestly don't give a **** what they say, so long as they don't stop me from getting this game.

exactly
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Holy ****, while playing Mercenaries I killed a bunch of white people...

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#28
How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that's racist? I won't give any more reasons than the ones already stated in this thread, but if you think that's racist then clearly you are the ones having issues.

He's probably latent racist or something himself, kinda like some people who hate homosexual are latent homosexuals themselves. And he probably think he's cool because he's standing up for the minorities, who also think he's an idiot.

Game looks awesome, though
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More often than not, it's white people being oversensitive about racism when the ethnicity in question doesn't give a 10 inch ****.

Also, it's disgusting that one individual or even one group should be considered as the voice of an entire race of people. Just because Al Sharpton is offended doesn't mean that every black person feels his sentiments.

It's all political pandering. Corporate America or the corporate world really needs to just stand up for itself and tell people to fuck off. Like I said, if you're offended, don't buy the product, watch the TV show/movie, listen to the radio program, or go to the website. That's your only right as a consumer. Stop trying to force the world to have your opinion.
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How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that's racist? I won't give any more reasons than the ones already stated in this thread, but if you think that's racist then clearly you are the ones having issues.

He's probably latent racist or something himself, kinda like some people who hate homosexual are latent homosexuals themselves. And he probably think he's cool because he's standing up for the minorities, who also think he's an idiot.

Game looks awesome, though



the guy that said it's racist is black, and apparently a 'well respected' journalist
#31
The point isn’t that you can’t have black zombies.


When I read that I thought he was gonna give a good argument, but it ended up being a wall of text with no logic in it at all.

There's no reason why a company like Capcom would make a deliberately racist game, since it would only make them lose money and hurt their reputation. There's still plenty of racism around, but people are oversensitive in a lot of cases. If you have any criticism on Israel's actions you are immediately branded as a anti-Semite.

Sure, there are gonna be people who will prefer shooting black zombies over white, but it shouldn't and isn't Capcom's problem that other people are ignorant.

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the guy that said it's racist is black, and apparently a 'well respected' journalist


Oh I didn't check, but I've heard the same racist claims from many people. And he can still hate black people
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#34
Thats like saying it was racist to only have Caucasian zombies in the first thousand Resi games. Count the white to black zombie ratio through the games.

Not racist at all.

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#35
lol, what kind of nonsense is this. Wouldn't be more racist for them to be in Africa and them to be killing all white zombies. It'd be like Capcom wasnt acknowledging that Black people lived in Africa. You will never please anyone because no matter what race there are always going to be those people who think people are out to get them.

Not to mention Capcom is full of very smart, well educated people, the racists tend to be ignorant uneducated 'necks.
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Holy ****, while playing Mercenaries I killed a bunch of white people...

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#37
Jesus christ, some people are too sensitive.

Why dont we attact GTA San Andreas. Your a black guy and your running over white people in your car and shooting the **** outta the army.. christ.
#38
Resident Evil - Zombies all white males - Fine
Resident Evil 2 - Zombies mainly white males, with a couple of women thrown in - Fine
Resident Evil 3 - More or less same as 2- Fine
Resident Evil CVX - Same again - Fine
Resident Evil Zero - Same again - Fine
Resident Evil 4 - Zombies are Spanish this time but as the game is set in Spain no-one cares.
Resident Evil 5 - Zombies are black and some fucking idiot kicks up a storm about it being racist despite the game being set in Africa where the population is predominately black (in certain countries).


What a wanker.

I looked at the “Resident Evil 5″ trailer and I was like, “Wow, clearly no one black worked on this game.”



If that was his first thought then this guy is far too pre-occupied with race


Edit: Game looks awesome, can't wait to get my mitts on it.
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#39
Dude this is crap. I know black people who cant wait for this game to come out so they can "Bust a cap" in some African zombies

Besides im sure the only people who care about this are like... Old white people. You know like those old ladies who go ape **** at the mention of the word black/colored etc

Whens the release date?
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Quote by N’Gai Croal
They’re by and large comfortable with the amounts of stereotypes in their games.


My response to this if I saw him would be: "Then what the hell are you talking about now, hypocrite?"

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