Eradicating Problemchild behaviour - Making them part of the Police Force

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#1
I was just talking to some fellow UGers and I've always thought of this plan which could eradicate Anti-Social behaviour. Hear me out - it's not completely foolproof but I can't help but think that maybe it could work at limiting anti-social behaviour. If the government were to instigate some kind of Chav-Police Force integration to enhance chav career prospects, it might just work. Given that anti-socialism is fueled by boredom, it'll give problem child things to do that they may end up liking. Arresting people and knowing the law on police powers will not only make them better people but part of the solution in eradicating Chavs. It's a lot better than giving out curfews and community service orders (boredom?). If you put two and two together, it'll be a daily Chav routine, only legal with supervision and limits. By this way, they'll know right from wrong.

Of course, there are problems. I'm pretty sure the Police require you to have a squeaky clean record, if not minor hiccoughs. There are also problems with reverting back (huge flaw perhaps?). However, psychology tells me that when you're in uniform, you'll think different and be less willing to revert back.

Thoughts UG? Please no stupid comments. This thread may or may not fail, depending on how the Pit perceives it.
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#2
Through the conversation we had Harmy, i fully agree with you, wholeheartedly.

At first i was skeptical, but i do believe it'd make a great plan.
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#4
They would bust drug dealers and take all the drugs for themselves.
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They would bust drug dealers and take all the drugs for themselves.


Again, it's not completely foolproof but instead of handing out community orders, a few weeks helping the police could change a lot.
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don't you mean anti-social behaviour?


Small typo. Did you really need to enquire?
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The levels of corruption would be atrocious. Put them in the army instead and don't give them any real authority.
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I dunno, giving these assholes authority doesn't seem like a good idea.
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#12
It's an interesting concept, but I can't help thinking it'll get out of hand and we'll end up with some SA style vigilanties. What about the discipline, but whithout giving them authority?
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#13
I like the way you've thought about this.
I personally think that the eradication of capital and corporal punishment was a big mistake. Telling a child that something is wrong is all well and good but they're unlikely to remember it! I dont think that it's a problem hitting your kids. Dont get me wrong, child abuse is a very bad thing but if you tell a child something is wrong and then punish them for it, they're more likely to remember. I dont think that it's abuse. My parents punished me when I done things that were wrong and Im fine. Im a better person for it.
They should get an instant 6 month sentence and then if they go back to crime or are arrested in the 3 years they're out out of a youth offenders facility, they should be signed up to the army for a 3 year spell. They deserve it. Kids in the street are getting shot and stabbed and bullied by these inbred tw@ts and the government are to busy busting people for having unpaid parking tickets to give a 5hit!

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Interesting idea, however I don't think chaves are ready for that kind of responsibility. They're not very mature it seems and I can imagine the majority taking advantage of having authority.

But it's interesting because they can see what it's like for a policeofficer, something they may never have thought of, and gain respect doing good things (if they choose that "path").
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#15
On paper this is good, but from my exp a problem child is just that and they won't change till they grow out of it. It's sad but in my eyes, what you are suggesting, giving athority to problem children, is like giving a monkey a machine gun.
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On paper this is good, but from my exp a problem child is just that and they won't change till they grow out of it. It's sad but in my eyes, what you are suggesting, giving athority to problem children, is like giving a monkey a machine gun.


And is this method not a way of increasing the stage to maturity? Again, I know there are a few problems with it but if you take little by little - perhaps 2 or 3 offenders at a time.
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Homeless Kev, some good points raised, but I don't think it's a case of children forgeting something is bad, they just know they can get away with it, I should know I'm still a child myself.
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Because that won't make them reoffend
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#20
I can't understand what posessed you to think this was a good idea, or why people are complimenting it. Personally, I think the idea of giving lawbreakers power is stupid. It's like deciding if we let Osama Binladen rule over America, maybe he'll stop trying to kill Americans.
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I can't understand what posessed you to think this was a good idea, or why people are complimenting it. Personally, I think the idea of giving lawbreakers power is stupid. It's like deciding if we let Osama Binladen rule over America, maybe he'll stop trying to kill Americans.


I think you're missing the point here.
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Because that won't make them reoffend



Unless they use capital/corparal(?) punishment, wich is rather harsh.
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Unless they use capital/corparal(?) punishment, wich is rather harsh.


The problem with capital punishment is that once a criminal knows they've done something worth that penalty, they'll stop at nothing.
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I think you're missing the point here.


No I'm not, I understand what you mean, I just don't think it would work.
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Homeless Kev, some good points raised, but I don't think it's a case of children forgeting something is bad, they just know they can get away with it, I should know I'm still a child myself.


yeah thats what i was trying to say about punishment. most kids know they can get away with it because there's no punishment. 20 years we didnt have all the **** that goes on today because parents could punish their kids. ASBO's are supposed to be a punishment but there nothing more than a fashion accessory.

I heard a story a few years ago about a guy getting a restraining order put on him cos he hit one of his kids. his son ran out into a busy road and so he hit his kid. the way I see it. the kid wont run out in the road again because he knows he'll get punished for doing it. but a copper seen him and arrested him. If people think thats wrong then thats entirely up to them. But my opinion is that half the problem is with the parents for not raising their kids properly.
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The problem with capital punishment is that once a criminal knows they've done something worth that penalty, they'll stop at nothing.


What you're suggesting is that these people have no consience at all, are people that bad? I don't know. The death penalty is DEFINETLY too much for the chavs, but a good short, sharp, shock might do the trick.

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^ Homeless Kev, I totally agree. My dad hit me when I did wrong, and I turned out alright...
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What you're suggesting is that these people have no consience at all, are people that bad? I don't know. The death penalty is DEFINETLY too much for the chavs, but a good short, sharp, shock might do the trick.

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^ Homeless Kev, I totally agree. My dad hit me when I did wrong, and I turned out alright...


Fair point, but I was relating to the Capital Punishment to everyone rather than just mindless teens.
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What you're suggesting is that these people have no consience at all, are people that bad? I don't know. The death penalty is DEFINETLY too much for the chavs, but a good short, sharp, shock might do the trick.


The only people who deserve the death sentence are serial killers, rapists and child molesters.
Everyone gets let off lightly unless you commit a crime against the government. The government care for no-one but themselves. I mean, you get 8 years for rape but ten for fraud! which crime is worse.

Everyone has a conscience, some people just dont care about anyone else that much and even if you commit a crime, going to prizon is like a f*cking holiday camp.

For someone who says they're a child, you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.
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I think giving them walkie talkies, etc, will only allow them to do co-ordinated attacks on the local corner shop and also keep 'look outs' when taking drugs. I think it's a bad idea, maybe if they were beaten senslessly...that'd put 'em in line.
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I think people are missing the point of authority. I don't mean giving them guns etc: just a chance to experience being part of the police force and solving the crimes they once did. I appologise, this is mainly aimed for the police force in the UK.
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I think people are missing the point of authority. I don't mean giving them guns etc: just a chance to experience being part of the police force and solving the crimes they once did. I appologise, this is mainly aimed for the police force in the UK.


So really what you're saying is that if they commit a crime they should be given a decent job when there are people out there working their bollox off at uni and cant get a job when they finish.
I personally think it would lead to more corruption in the police force and there's enough of that already!
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Homeless Kev: True, true, but castration is a possible solution for sex offenders.

Harmonius: Yeah, I doubt it would work in the US, but over here it has real potential. Just getting the kids to tag along with the cops might give them an idea about what they're doing.
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So really what you're saying is that if they commit a crime they should be given a decent job when there are people out there working their bollox off at uni and cant get a job when they finish.
I personally think it would lead to more corruption in the police force and there's enough of that already!


Perhaps some arranged reduced salary could be in order and an increase in the actual police force's salary? Saying that - bollox to what Jaqui Smith says. Only will the "Chav Force" get a chance to be an actual police officer when they earn it.

EDIT: Or - not a salary at all until they earn it
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#34
I think the only way anyones gunna get a load of "chavs" to help the police is if they're electronically tagged. Then If they dont turn up (authorised absences aside, people get sick. fact) they should be given a fine and made to start the whole "rehabilitation" process again.
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I think I get what you're saying. Chav police wont arrest chavs, because they will condone everything they do, having done it themselves. So an easier suggestion is to just pack them off to a tiny island and nuke it.
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I think I get what you're saying. Chav police wont arrest chavs, because they will condone everything they do, having done it themselves. So an easier suggestion is to just pack them off to a tiny island and nuke it.


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I've given this more thought. It's mostly the parents fault, something needs to be done to them so they pay more attention to their childs upbringing.

I mean I was on teh bus the other day, and there was this chav dad laying across two seats with his mobile phone music on saying to his wife, "OI LUV YOU ERD THIS NOO CHOON?" and she replied, "YEAH ITS FUKIN BANGIN INNIT MATE."

Needless to say they had about 5 kids swarming around them shouting and being idiots.

Parents should be fined/castrated/pass a test to have children. I don't care which but we're turning into a nation of chavvy layabouts. Gordon Brown and his benefits/council housing system isn't helping situations either.

As for the chav kids we have now, see my last post for what to do with them
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I've given this more thought. It's mostly the parents fault, something needs to be done to them so they pay more attention to their childs upbringing.

I mean I was on teh bus the other day, and there was this chav dad laying across two seats with his mobile phone music on saying to his wife, "OI LUV YOU ERD THIS NOO CHOON?" and she replied, "YEAH ITS FUKIN BANGIN INNIT MATE."

Needless to say they had about 5 kids swarming around them shouting and being idiots.

Parents should be fined/castrated/pass a test to have children. I don't care which but we're turning into a nation of chavvy layabouts. Gordon Brown and his benefits/council housing system isn't helping situations either.

As for the chav kids we have now, see my last post for what to do with them


I think some people have kids because of the benefits you get from having them. housing benefit, social security money, family allowance and your dole. And they give you a house aswell!
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The only people who deserve the death sentence are serial killers, rapists and child molesters.
Everyone gets let off lightly unless you commit a crime against the government. The government care for no-one but themselves. I mean, you get 8 years for rape but ten for fraud! which crime is worse.

Everyone has a conscience, some people just dont care about anyone else that much and even if you commit a crime, going to prizon is like a f*cking holiday camp.

For someone who says they're a child, you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.

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I think some people have kids because of the benefits you get from having them. housing benefit, social security money, family allowance and your dole. And they give you a house aswell!


Yeah I know. They recently built this disgusting estate in what was a nice village I live in. I bumped into an old school friend and we had a beer or two. We started talking about said estate and how it's ruined our village (with chavs taunting passers by etc) and he tells me how his sister had a baby and is now living there!

So I threw my drink in his face and smashed the bottle over his head. Well actually I just rolled my eyes but that's what I felt like doing.
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