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#1
hey guys (and girls....?) i was debating whether to go neck thru or bolt on..... and i got pretty freaked after imagining what happens if a neck thru guitar's neck broke or warped...... i mean it would be a waste of a LOT of cash if i couldnt do anything about it after that.........
#4
I've never seen a guitar neck break or get damaged beyond repair, unless of course you are used on stepping on guitar necks by chance. Personally I prefer neck-thru guitars since they resonate better and feel much more natural when it comes to higher frets since that area is usually more contoured.
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#5
i prefer bolt-on... which is handy, since my neck's starting to warp
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#6
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Personally I prefer neck-thru guitars since they resonate better


this isn't actually true. the difference in sustain between thru necks, set necks and bolt ons is negligible, and its actually bolt ons which have the best, followed by set necks. some guy did a test.

therefore, you should base your decision on how it plays. you will get better upper fret access on a neck thru, so if thats important to you, thats the way to go.
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#7
If the neck of a neck thru breaks that you could 'simply' cut it off where it joins the body, route a neck pocket and convert it into a bolt on. So its not the end of the world...




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If the neck of a neck thru breaks that you could 'simply' cut it off where it joins the body, route a neck pocket and convert it into a bolt on. So its not the end of the world...

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#9
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If the neck of a neck thru breaks that you could 'simply' cut it off where it joins the body, route a neck pocket and convert it into a bolt on. So its not the end of the world...

Or you could simply use titebond to fix the break.
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#10
Neck throughs are less likely to break or warp since they're usually made of at least 3 or 5 pieces of different woods.
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this isn't actually true. the difference in sustain between thru necks, set necks and bolt ons is negligible, and its actually bolt ons which have the best, followed by set necks. some guy did a test.

therefore, you should base your decision on how it plays. you will get better upper fret access on a neck thru, so if thats important to you, thats the way to go.

I don't believe this is true. for a test like that to wokr you would need the same guitar and neck and it wouldn't be possible since there would always be differences in woods and stuff.

i go by feel, i dont buy into the whole promises of the holy grail of sustain and neck thrus feel best to me. so
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this isn't actually true. the difference in sustain between thru necks, set necks and bolt ons is negligible, and its actually bolt ons which have the best, followed by set necks. some guy did a test.

therefore, you should base your decision on how it plays. you will get better upper fret access on a neck thru, so if thats important to you, thats the way to go.


phail?

I don't see how 2 pieces of wood could possible resonate better than a single piece of wood. And like Oudy said, you would not be able to perform a conclusive test, because you would have different guitars...


And, to TS, It is unlikely that a well made neck that used properly dried wood, would warp or crack. I say go for the neck through... they look great too.
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#13
I don't see how 2 pieces of wood could possible resonate better than a single piece of wood. And like Oudy said, you would not be able to perform a conclusive test, because you would have different guitars...

well know matter what type u use (bolt, nt or set) ur still using at least two pieces of wood so its not all about the number of pieces but the connections. I can kinda understand what he is saying in that u might lose some vibration in the glue but i dunno
would like to see a thorough test in the area though
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well know matter what type u use (bolt, nt or set) ur still using at least two pieces of wood so its not all about the number of pieces but the connections. I can kinda understand what he is saying in that u might lose some vibration in the glue but i dunno
would like to see a thorough test in the area though

it's all marketing hype to me, have you noticed EVERY neck joint has some claims of "superior sustain" using that logic, 2 pieces of wood taking up vibrations, i think the metal bolts going through the neck would take up quite a bit too, i THINK a neck thru would have slightly more sustain since the neck and most of the body is just 1 piece of wood (unless you had lams in the neck which it could be a 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, etc piece of wood neck)

sustain is always going to vary, no matter what the instrument due to inconsistancies in the wood and flaws in each piece of wood, and even if you used the same exact pieces of wood the tests would still be different due to temperature changes causing the wood to shrink or expand which would have a small effect on the tests.

people should pick neckjoints based on how they feel to them and how well the joint is done, there are dodgy bolt ons, dodgy sets, dodgy neck thrus and dodgy set thru necks. the sustain thing to me is just inside everyone's head.

it's always going to be inconclusive
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#17
Personally, I vote neck-through. Just my two cents.

This should be a poll. There aren't many damning arguments one way or the other.
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phail?

I don't see how 2 pieces of wood could possible resonate better than a single piece of wood. And like Oudy said, you would not be able to perform a conclusive test, because you would have different guitars...


And, to TS, It is unlikely that a well made neck that used properly dried wood, would warp or crack. I say go for the neck through... they look great too.


http://www.guitar-list.com/guitar-science/set-neck-better-sustain-myth

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I still think it's inconclusive, AGAIN, he might have used the same species of wood for each guitar but there would still be flaws within the wood that woudl effect the tests. So i still say it is and forever will be inconclusive
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#21
That is true... sort of like schrodingers cat, theres no way to know. But also not like schrodingers cat, because this does not involve a cat, or a box, much less a cat trapped in a box.
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I still think it's inconclusive, AGAIN, he might have used the same species of wood for each guitar but there would still be flaws within the wood that woudl effect the tests. So i still say it is and forever will be inconclusive

If it was inconclusive, it would have been labeled as inconclusive. Since an expert (and he is most certainly an expert) drew a conclusion, that means you're simply calling him a liar. Perform the same tests and come back with your conclusions (or lack thereof).
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If it was inconclusive, it would have been labeled as inconclusive. Since an expert (and he is most certainly an expert) drew a conclusion, that means you're simply calling him a liar. Perform the same tests and come back with your conclusions (or lack thereof).

You can try to discredit me all you like by a thinly veiled attempt to say im a moron but I stand by what I said, there are too many external factors to count in for any sort of test especially with wood, which is at the whim of mother nature when it comes to quality, sometimes there is problems with the wood you don't even notice, there's always going to be flaws and they're not all going to be the same and it's not entirely possible to test that, as i said wood reacts to even the slightest change in temperature and that effects the sustain and sound (shrinking, expanding, etc).

Its like trying to test 3 different baseball bats made of the same wood to see which one makes your ball go farther, it's never going to be 100% probally never even close

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That is true... sort of like schrodingers cat, theres no way to know. But also not like schrodingers cat, because this does not involve a cat, or a box, much less a cat trapped in a box.


In a way, yes. There's too many external factors to count in for it to be completely accurate, there's also environmental factors, production factors, and countless other posibilities that could stuff around with the test.
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You can try to discredit me all you like by a thinly veiled attempt to say im a moron but I stand by what I said, there are too many external factors to count in for any sort of test especially with wood, which is at the whim of mother nature when it comes to quality, sometimes there is problems with the wood you don't even notice, there's always going to be flaws and they're not all going to be the same and it's not entirely possible to test that, as i said wood reacts to even the slightest change in temperature and that effects the sustain and sound (shrinking, expanding, etc).

Its like trying to test 3 different baseball bats made of the same wood to see which one makes your ball go farther, it's never going to be 100% probally never even close

Read it again. I didn't say that you were a moron, nor was I trying to discredit you. I said that you were wording your opposition to his study incorrectly. I agree with you, but there's a big difference between calling someone a liar and disagreeing with their work.

Edit: also, watch your run-on sentences.
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interesting, but his trial was with only 3 guitars. not very accurate.

Accurate, but poorly executed. He certainly made the findings, but he didn't interpret them correctly or with nearly enough consideration for the vast variables involved.
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Read it again. I didn't say that you were a moron, nor was I trying to discredit you. I said that you were wording your opposition to his study incorrectly. I agree with you, but there's a big difference between calling someone a liar and disagreeing with their work.

Edit: also, watch your run-on sentences.

I apologise if i took it wrong, im running on extremely low amount of sleep and i just like.. really had a horrible breakup about 4 hours ago so im kinda defensive about everything for no reason.
Again i apologise if i was out of line.
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I apologise if i took it wrong, im running on extremely low amount of sleep and i just like.. really had a horrible breakup about 4 hours ago so im kinda defensive about everything for no reason.
Again i apologise if i was out of line.

It's fine. My last girlfriend broke up with me on my birthday by informing me that she was cheating on me the entire time we were together. I nearly punted Fluffy over the fence when I got home from the bar.
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It's fine. My last girlfriend broke up with me on my birthday by informing me that she was cheating on me the entire time we were together. I nearly punted Fluffy over the fence when I got home from the bar.



I wonder if Schrodingers cat was named fluffy....
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I wonder if Schrodingers cat was named fluffy....

LOL


Also that sucks to hear that, mine become so overbearing and freaked the hell out because i called some friend of mine overseas and constantly stalking my myspace and my friend's myspaces looking for some sign i was cheating on her and just pretty much has been starting drama for no reason, and kinda just spent the past 3 days screaming at me and UNLEASHING THE F------ FURY. it's stupid, it sucks but eh what can you do.
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#31
sometimes the fury just needs to be ****ing unleashed. Ask Jeff Goldblum about it.
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sometimes the fury just needs to be ****ing unleashed. Ask Jeff Goldblum about it.

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#34
Before even worrying about which neck join gives the best sustain you first have to create pin point frictionless contacts to suspend the strings between, and since bridges and nuts are easily the biggest factors hindering sustain, I really wouldnt loose sleep over it.




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#35
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Before even worrying about which neck join gives the best sustain you first have to create pin point frictionless contacts to suspend the strings between, and since bridges and nuts are easily the biggest factors hindering sustain, I really wouldnt loose sleep over it.

+1

The only reason I prefer neck-through is because of feel.
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#36
Yes. A neck through does provide unparalleled access to the upper frets.
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#37
wow wow wow...................... chill dudes... i asked coz i live in india and ill be going to the us soon and ill be buyin a guitar from there (coz the indian ones are almost 2x the price and they suck coz they dont have the higher and models.) so when i bring it down here im worried it'll warp...... anyways i think ill go bolt on, coz neck thrus have painted necks, which i dont really prefer
#38
Go for what feels and sounds best to you, that's all I can say. Go in with an open mind and you will come out happy/
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#39
true, but if its too high a maintainence if i get a neck thru, id stick with bolt ons...... i mean... practically all the guitar gods use bolt ons, so why not?
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I still think it's inconclusive, AGAIN, he might have used the same species of wood for each guitar but there would still be flaws within the wood that woudl effect the tests. So i still say it is and forever will be inconclusive


interesting, but his trial was with only 3 guitars. not very accurate.


i think this is a valid point, but its also a point which supports my argument. if the difference in sustain between neck joints is so insignificant that it can be completely overridden by the difference caused by slight differences in the same wood, then the conclusion must also follow that the difference in sustain between the three kinds of joint is so negligible that it isn't worth considering sustain when trying to choose a neck joint.
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