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The Music Industry is a fraud.

Sometime ago i was browsing youtube randomly as is the norm in our generation and came across a rather provocative video. Its basically just a guy infront of a video camera, but the hestuff he says and the issues he talks about are in my opinion inspiring. He talks about the current state of the industry, all the plain wrong and out of order things that are happening and how talent is over looked. His views are some what extreame but his basic message i think is true. In the end all we have now days is a stagnant commercial garbage of everyone sounding the same with no messages and very little diversity.

Im posting this message so this video can reach others, so far its only seen about 1,200 views. Ironically this is reflective of the music industry, and how underneath all the stupidiity, videos of silly cats and motorcycle crashes, theres something important, a real message thats been overlooked, been missed. So if you are interested take a look. The link is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LOr7JsIWk

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#3
That dude has nice tits.


I think the video kind of seems like a guy who maybe isn't talented enough to be recognized thinking that he IS talented enough, and is just bitter about it.
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#4
I'm stuck in work where youtube is restricted, can someone give a quick summary of what it's about??
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ofcourse i laughed xD

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how could i possibly take that guy seriously? come on man.

since when was the music industry not based on popularity? the music business is a business like any other, they have to make money. why should they waste their effort on things that wont pay off? especially since people are stealing music nowadays, they need to make money any way they can.

and what is he talking about when he says the music industry? the radio? mtv? thats just commercialism using music to make money. there are plenty of interesting bands out there, but popular opinion has changed, and hip hop and r&b will get them money. the music industry isnt an altruistic entity dedicated to showing you all the music you might like. theyre a business, and they sell what people will buy. why should it be working just for your enjoyment?
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#9
I fully agree with the guy, he summed it up in 7:23 Minutes amazing. Legend.
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#13
What an idiot. He couldn't have been more wrong about half the stuff he was on about.
He was pretty much the perfect example of someone whining about something he doesn't fully know about.

I could sit here and write an essay de-bunking every point he just made, but I won't bother.
He needs to learn the difference between the music industry, which is still healthy and helps put out thousands of talented bands of all genres nationally and internationally - and the pop industry. Not every act put out nowadays is done with the intentions of showing booty and making money.
#14
You act like this is somehow new? It's always been this way.
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how could i possibly take that guy seriously? come on man.

since when was the music industry not based on popularity? the music business is a business like any other, they have to make money. why should they waste their effort on things that wont pay off? especially since people are stealing music nowadays, they need to make money any way they can.

and what is he talking about when he says the music industry? the radio? mtv? thats just commercialism using music to make money. there are plenty of interesting bands out there, but popular opinion has changed, and hip hop and r&b will get them money. the music industry isnt an altruistic entity dedicated to showing you all the music you might like. theyre a business, and they sell what people will buy. why should it be working just for your enjoyment?



Word up.
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#16
It has always been about the money and about what's marketable. Les Paul would play hillbilly music down south and go up north to play in jazz bands....He didn't mention the fact that the radio and MTV doesn't represent everyone. All of the music genres are still alive.

The problem is that it is possible to like a band who was only signed for marketability. Say, Metallica. Everything about them screams marketability ( to the audience that they would stereotypically appeal to ) however they still make good music. I think it's hard NOT to be marketable to a specific audience. It's just the further away you get from the mainstream the more it is about talent. That might be this guys' problem: can't break into the mainstream but not good enough to make it big in the indies either.

Shows such as American Idol in no way represent the music industry.

EDIT:Also: We have no idea who was signed just for marketability, and I don't mean to say that Metallica was signed just for that, but they definitely ARE marketable.
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#17
Most people with half a brain already knew this I think. Anyway do you know why this is? Its because the industry is not run by music lovers, its run by buisness men. They are interested in making money, the best way to do this is figure out whats making money and make lots of them. Thats why you have all these bands similar to greenday (Panic!...., FOB etc) and why you have all the same old 'indie' (I use that because the whole idea and definition of Indie is that it doesnt go mainstream) artists with there sweet acoustic melodys, rappers singing about them getting girls, and girls shaking booty in camera. It sells, thats why its made. But there is still quality stuff out there, it just takes a little more looking than turning on MTV or your local radio station.
#18
The music industry has sucked for a long time, we just now have a new option to not pay them and get better music through torrents etc. They have always for years jumped on the band wagon and picked up tons of people that sux but will fit the current popular trend.

I will throw a party the day labels die.
#19
Most people just want simple pop music to shake their booty and what not and the music industry delivers.
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Most people with half a brain already knew this I think. Anyway do you know why this is? Its because the industry is not run by music lovers, its run by buisness men. They are interested in making money, the best way to do this is figure out whats making money and make lots of them. Thats why you have all these bands similar to greenday (Panic!...., FOB etc) and why you have all the same old 'indie' (I use that because the whole idea and definition of Indie is that it doesnt go mainstream) artists with there sweet acoustic melodys, rappers singing about them getting girls, and girls shaking booty in camera. It sells, thats why its made. But there is still quality stuff out there, it just takes a little more looking than turning on MTV or your local radio station.

Ok, you're kinda right here, but you've used all the wrong examples.

Bands like FoB, Green Day or Panic! (your examples) are not the right ones to use. They are not manufactured bands that have sold their soul to be on radio/tv. They didn't go on X-Factor, they weren't picked up by some exec and moulded into what they are now... those bands are all bands with integrity that have worked for years to get where they are now (Have you even heard any of Green Day's early albums? Or FoB's before Cork Tree?). Just because their music is catchy and has now propelled them into the mainstream doesn't mean they are part of the pop industry.
And no, I'm not some 14 year old fan-boy... I'm a 20 year old music student working with some of the biggest names in the industry.
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The music industry has sucked for a long time, we just now have a new option to not pay them and get better music through torrents etc. They have always for years jumped on the band wagon and picked up tons of people that sux but will fit the current popular trend.

I will throw a party the day labels die.
i dont think stealing music is the answer. if the music industry could make money off diverse bands, they would push them and show diverse parts of the music industry. but you people seem to think its your right to steal music, so they have to promote whatever will let them break even. they dont make money off obscure bands. stealing music is only going to make it worse.

and if there were no labels, there would not be nearly as many successful musicians. it costs money to make albums, remember?
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That was a bit extreme wasn't it? Heaps of bands doing different things get signed (just not as much as pop-artists and not as often to major labels). The reason we don't hear much of them is because they aren't as popular and we have to find them ourselses by scourging sites like Last.fm and talking about music with others.

*Goes to copy paste the paragraph in YouTube*
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You act like this is somehow new? It's always been this way.


lol yeah.
#24
Ok, you're kinda right here, but you've used all the wrong examples.

Bands like FoB, Green Day or Panic! (your examples) are not the right ones to use. They are not manufactured bands that have sold their soul to be on radio/tv. They didn't go on X-Factor, they weren't picked up by some exec and moulded into what they are now... those bands are all bands with integrity that have worked for years to get where they are now (Have you even heard any of Green Day's early albums? Or FoB's before Cork Tree?). Just because their music is catchy and has now propelled them into the mainstream doesn't mean they are part of the pop industry.
And no, I'm not some 14 year old fan-boy... I'm a 20 year old music student working with some of the biggest names in the industry.

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#25
i did say some of his points were extreame, but even if you dont like everything he says, i still think hes got a few good points
#26
Some of what he says is right for sure, but I've seen and heard others put it in a more eloquent or convincing way.
#27
Moobs!!!!

Edit: And I don't agree with what he says about the industry favouring bands....In fact, I think it's the opposite.

In fact, I could shoot holes through most of his point but I can't be bothered at the moment. I think he's just angry because he can't get a record deal.
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#28
Er...A few of his points I agreed with but it was stuff everyone knows already.

And then the whole 'musicians should have political views' thing was just rubbish, how is that relevant?

So, in conclusion I turned it off after 3 mins.

And his first point was just bitter about singer songwriters being overlooked, as he is one.
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Moobs!!!!

Edit: And I don't agree with what he says about the industry favouring bands....In fact, I think it's the opposite.

In fact, I could shoot holes through most of his point but I can't be bothered at the moment. I think he's just angry because he can't get a record deal.

Exactly, I checked out one of his songs and it sounded pretty generic to me. Hypocrit much?

Also, I think the reason most pop music is played by seemingly air-headed people is because the target-group - air-headed teens - doesn't want to be bothered with intelligent views. If you look at it that you could even say It's not the music-industry trying to dumb us down (why would they anyway?), it's the audience.
#30
this guys wack, he's got a point but we all know what pop is and how it works, the record companies have always been like this and "jazz, punk and reggae" are still out there in massive quantities

i understand what he says but he's obviously been a little scorned by the record industry.

therefore i give him a tip of my hat for expressing his opinions but i respectfully disagree with his solutions
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#31
Ok, you're kinda right here, but you've used all the wrong examples.

Bands like FoB, Green Day or Panic! (your examples) are not the right ones to use. They are not manufactured bands that have sold their soul to be on radio/tv. They didn't go on X-Factor, they weren't picked up by some exec and moulded into what they are now... those bands are all bands with integrity that have worked for years to get where they are now (Have you even heard any of Green Day's early albums? Or FoB's before Cork Tree?). Just because their music is catchy and has now propelled them into the mainstream doesn't mean they are part of the pop industry.
And no, I'm not some 14 year old fan-boy... I'm a 20 year old music student working with some of the biggest names in the industry.

Yes I am actually a rather big fan of greendays earlier work. What I am saying tho, is how they have gone now has been manufactured by producers and record companys. Yes they worked to get were they are, but it still doesnt mean the music industry doesnt take advantage of them.
#32
I fully agree with what he said.
He made some really good points
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#33
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i dont think stealing music is the answer. if the music industry could make money off diverse bands, they would push them and show diverse parts of the music industry. but you people seem to think its your right to steal music, so they have to promote whatever will let them break even. they dont make money off obscure bands. stealing music is only going to make it worse.

and if there were no labels, there would not be nearly as many successful musicians. it costs money to make albums, remember?


No such thing as stealing music. You copy music. If I could go copy a Dodge Viper GTS I would go do it right now. (besides from the fact it cost to much in fuel right now to drive it)

And it doesn't cost alot to make a record. You just need some recording equipment and thats getting cheaper every year. It may not give a perfect polished sound but all you need is a halfway decent quality recording to release on the internet and then as you make money you can afford to then record higher quality stuff.

The next big thing in the "music" imo will be some kind of website that will host anyone's music to download and make money off adds. There really isn't a single big google size / type site like this but someone will make big money off it one day.
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#34
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No such thing as stealing music. You copy music. If I could go copy a Dodge Viper GTS I would go do it right now. (besides from the fact it cost to much in fuel right now to drive it)


When you don't pay for a tune, you steal music. Simple as. Torrents aren't the answer; you're depriving an artist and everyone involved in making that track money.

The music industry is a bit rocky, yes, but otherwise I would say it functions well as an industry. It serves the big, massive, mainstream culture and so produces pop, some good, some bad. Indie labels serve niche markets for other genres that we all like, and even some of those genres end up making it big, such as metal has become over the past 10-15 years. You can't moan and bitch about how no one ever gets anywhere anymore with their music; that's just plain wrong. Granted, you have to work hard at it, but you have to do this for most bloody things you want to make a living out of. People just want an easy ride, and bitch about when the 'corporations' don't give it to them on a plate. Nuff ****ing said.
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The next big thing in the "music" imo will be some kind of website that will host anyone's music to download and make money off adds. There really isn't a single big google size / type site like this but someone will make big money off it one day.


I think I saw something like that the other day...what was it called...

MYSPACE

That's the one, yeah.

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I think I saw something like that the other day...what was it called...

MYSPACE

That's the one, yeah.

And to a lesser extent soundclick.


Worst lay'd out site on the internet. But i mean one dedicated to music... I could make a website better setup then myspace in less then a day.
#37
Steal = to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force

You aren't taking property of anyone when you download music you are getting a copy of it.

Steal = to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.

You aren't claiming the music as your own work so that wouldn't fit it.
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Worst lay'd out site on the internet. But i mean one dedicated to music... I could make a website better setup then myspace in less then a day.


Soundclick then.
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#39
Ok, you're kinda right here, but you've used all the wrong examples.

Bands like FoB, Green Day or Panic! (your examples) are not the right ones to use. They are not manufactured bands that have sold their soul to be on radio/tv. They didn't go on X-Factor, they weren't picked up by some exec and moulded into what they are now... those bands are all bands with integrity that have worked for years to get where they are now (Have you even heard any of Green Day's early albums? Or FoB's before Cork Tree?). Just because their music is catchy and has now propelled them into the mainstream doesn't mean they are part of the pop industry.
And no, I'm not some 14 year old fan-boy... I'm a 20 year old music student working with some of the biggest names in the industry.

+1 I am so tired of hearing people blasting Green Day. Yeah, they aren't as good as Dream Theater instrumentally, but their music sounds good and they have suprisingly good lyrics.
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Yawn. What an underwhelming rant.

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