#1
So now that Virgin has taken the first step to regulate the internet... How do you feel? What are you feelings on this whole situation? It seems like pretty soon the last free medium we have is going away...
#3
Wait, what?
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#4
people will find ways around it, in the end net neutrality is actually good for business.
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What? I think i've missed something major.

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what he talkin about???
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What? I think i've missed something major.
Virgin media plan to effectively sell bandwidth to websites.

i.e. Virgin customers will get high speeds only on websites that have paid virgin for that privilege and traffic to sites who didn't pay will be much slower, which will lead to Virgin customers choosing the sites that did pay because they'll get faster access, effectively limiting the choice of Virgin customers.
#10
Quote by Nikon87
You do realize that by, "good for business", you're also saying, "****ing the consumer in the ass".

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a93556/virgin-media-ceo-attacks-net-neutrality.html

For those who don't know.


no I mean by being good for the consumer it is also good for business, which how capitalism is supposed to work. I fail to see how maintaining bet neutrality is fucking the customer in the ass.
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no I mean by being good for the consumer it is also good for business, which how capitalism is supposed to work. I fail to see how maintaining bet neutrality is fucking the customer in the ass.
Because it limits choice.

Imagine 2 download services A and B. A charges less for their content, but B paid Virgin the bandwidth fee. I want to use A, but it takes me 2 weeks to download an album because Virgin are deliberately throttling the traffic to that site, so I'm forced to use site B because I want my product that I paid for now, not next week. So I pay more when I shouldn't have had to.
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I don't have Virgin for internet, will this affect me?
Not for now, it may in the future if other ISPs follow Virgins lead.

But I think there will always be a few decent ISPs who treat their customers well and actually give them what they paid for.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

That british site censored bollocks.

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Because it limits choice.

Imagine 2 download services A and B. A charges less for their content, but B paid Virgin the bandwidth fee. I want to use A, but it takes me 2 weeks to download an album because Virgin are deliberately throttling the traffic to that site, so I'm forced to use site B because I want my product that I paid for now, not next week. So I pay more when I shouldn't have had to. Not for now, it may in the future if other ISPs follow Virgins lead.

But I think there will always be a few decent ISPs who treat their customers well and actually give them what they paid for.



umm yeah i know, I'm talking about how keeping the net neutral is good, not getting rid of net neutrality.
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umm yeah i know, I'm talking about how keeping the net neutral is good, not getting rid of net neutrality.
Then you're confusing me because earlier you said it was good for business
#16
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Then you're confusing me because earlier you said it was good for business


it is, because if one company tries to get rid of it, then 2 other companies, who provide net neutral internet access will take it's place. Net Neutrality is what people want and therefore it's good for business because of demand.
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it is, because if one company tries to get rid of it, then 2 other companies, who provide net neutral internet access will take it's place. Net Neutrality is what people want and therefore it's good for business because of demand.
That might work, but unfortunately Virgin are the only company providing 20meg broadband right now in the UK (to my knowledge) and that's a really attractive deal to many people.
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That might work, but unfortunately Virgin are the only company providing 20meg broadband right now in the UK (to my knowledge) and that's a really attractive deal to many people.


well then I guess the UK is sort of screwed until more companies pop up, here there are usually at least two providers (cable and satellite at least and then there are usually two satellite providers and two cable providers)
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That might work, but unfortunately Virgin are the only company providing 20meg broadband right now in the UK (to my knowledge) and that's a really attractive deal to many people.


There's no point in 20 meg broadband when you only get 20 meg on 10 sites. People will change ISPs because it's really easy to switch.
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#21
*cue Lady_Hellraiser*

I'm on BT. UG loads fine, porn loads fine, torrents go at a nice speed. That's all I need.
#22
It can't be done, simply because in the instance of someone downloading child porn or terrorist plans or something the ISPs aren't liable because they don't interfere with the information they transfer. If they start looking at what people are downloading or modifying it in any way then they become as guilty as the paedo or terrorist that clicked the link.
#23
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

That british site censored bollocks.

HAHAHAHAHAroflmao


Bollocks?? I thought it was bitches... lol I can't believe they censored that, frreakin ridiculous.
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#25
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Virgin media plan to effectively sell bandwidth to websites.

i.e. Virgin customers will get high speeds only on websites that have paid virgin for that privilege and traffic to sites who didn't pay will be much slower, which will lead to Virgin customers choosing the sites that did pay because they'll get faster access, effectively limiting the choice of Virgin customers.



Not really It will end up people just changing provider if they can. No point paying if the sites I need I have slower speeds on and sites I could care less have fast speed.
#26
Never gonna happen.

People'll just stop using Virgin.
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Never gonna happen.

People'll just stop using Virgin.


Yeah, probably. I definitely would.
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#28
wow great buisness move

not

Especially from the company that claims to be the fastest in the UK, but will soon be "the fastest but no sites pay us so we're not"
#29
people will switch away from virgin as soon as they realize they cant download porn as fast anymore
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You could always, like, read a book!
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#31
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There's no point in 20 meg broadband when you only get 20 meg on 10 sites. People will change ISPs because it's really easy to switch.
Have you ever tried switching ISPs while still under contract? Cancellation fees etc. It's not that easy.
#32
I remember hearing about the same issue ages ago. Nothing happened then. Probably just another story on the net that's been hyped way out of proportion.
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#33
They are stealing the internet!!! Ahhhhh!!!!


I havn't heard of this though, but it sounds bad...
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#34
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That might work, but unfortunately Virgin are the only company providing 20meg broadband right now in the UK (to my knowledge) and that's a really attractive deal to many people.



Really? I'm on Orange Wireless, and I was under the impression that I could get up to 56 megs. All I know is I can download stuff pretty fast.
#35
does this mean Virgin is giving all the nets virgins a lesson in *********ings?
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#36
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Really? I'm on Orange Wireless, and I was under the impression that I could get up to 56 megs. All I know is I can download stuff pretty fast.
56 megs is probably the max speed your router can handle. Orange definitely don't do 56 meg broadband. Their website only mentions 8 meg.
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56 megs is probably the max speed your router can handle. Orange definitely don't do 56 meg broadband. Their website only mentions 8 meg.



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