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#1
So we had this idea in the death metal vs melodic death metal thread, an idea that I have considered before but only now, on the suggestion of others, have decided to 'get serious' about. What I propose is that we that are knowledgeable of the metal forum collaborate to create something of a 'family tree' of metal, describing how the genre and subgenres evolved and the differences between them, and listing a few of the better known bands and releases of each.

Anyway, this is what I think we should cover, off the top of my head, but I will add more as you guys suggest:

Traditional Metal
NWOBHM
Doom Metal
Death/Doom
Black/Doom
Funeral Doom
Drone Doom
Sludge
Stoner
Thrash Metal
Speed Metal
Black Metal
Power Metal
War Metal/Australian War Metal
Death Metal
Deathcore
Brutal Death
Technical Death
Melodic Death/Melodeath
Crust Punk/Grindcore
Deathgrind/Goregrind
Progressive Metal
Folk Metal
NSBM
Symphonic Black Metal
Blackened Death
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#2
..Australian War Metal?
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#4
I suggest we somehow make Melodic Death slowly branch out of Death Metal to where it has "Literal" and "melodeath" under the same umbrella, somewhat separate of Death Metal... just to please general concensus
#5
Australian War Metal is a genre yes. And no, melodic death and melodeath aren't. I'll let Nosferatu explain
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#6
Quote by MHDrunk
Australian War Metal is a genre yes.:

Example bands?
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#7
I have a headache tonight

but as I said I was thinking perhaps under Death Metal, you can have "Old School" "Technical" which ever others you know and then "Melodic" then on somehow not under it, but just next to it or something; have "Melodeath" then an explanation of how they branched out eventually...


I'm still unclear as to what constitutes War Metal though, isnt it just war themes kinda like Viking/Pirate and all that shiznit? lol
#10
a list similar to this was done in the documentary Metal: A Headbangers Journey
good documentary check it out
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#11
I'm really sorry guys and I promise this is the last time I mention this, but it seems that Death Metal that's melodic ("Melodic Death Metal") is only a subgenre now that you two decide that it is. No need to educate me, I promised!

On topic: If there's gonna be a place for "melodic" Death Metal it should be under Death Metal!!!!
#12
Come off it already, melodeath and melodic death are the same thing...

And war metal is somehow acceptable. Branching it out into australian war metal is useless...
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#13
Quote by dead-fish
Come off it already, melodeath and melodic death are the same thing...

And war metal is somehow acceptable. Branching it out into australian war metal is useless...


OK. Well you don't know what war metal is. It is completely different from australian war metal, and I'm only using 'Australian' there for lack of a better name for it (because it is, of course, played elsewhere). While Aussie war metal is indeed influenced by straight up war metal it is different. Putting in Australian war metal with normal war metal would be like putting power in with speed, if you get the picture.

Nosferatu, war metal originated in canada with bands like Blasphemy and Morbid Darkness and then later on bands like Conqueror, Revenge and Sacramentary Abolishment. It's a mix of death and black but not like other blackened death...
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#14
[edit] bad timing;

the mdm thing is a yes and no, yet again its being literal or real as opposed to a fictional "its not even death metal but we call it that anyway" which is only supported by a "its been widely accepted for years by most people only licking the surface" I'd put em under the same umbrella just explaining how it branched out
Last edited by NosferatuZodd09 at Apr 22, 2008,
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By the way, I should add that I'm not looking to limit the number of subgenres contained, quite the opposite, I'm intending to mention every reasonable sub-genre I can.
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#17
Quote by MHDrunk
OK. Well you don't know what war metal is. It is completely different from australian war metal, and I'm only using 'Australian' there for lack of a better name for it (because it is, of course, played elsewhere). While Aussie war metal is indeed influenced by straight up war metal it is different. Putting in Australian war metal with normal war metal would be like putting power in with speed, if you get the picture.


This is apparently a split hair I have yet to come across. Do what you think is right...

I'm just saying that if we are going to be so anal, we should also put into categories bay area thrash, german thrash, new school thrash, industrial metal, gothic metal, symphonic gothic metal, symphonic power metal, stoner metal, sludge metal, southern metal, NOLA sludge, stoner/doom, stoner/drone, gothenburg melodeath, avant-garde...

Personally, I think it's just overbearingly useless, but I just read now that you want it to be so anal, so who am I...
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#18
hm actually Metal Archives refers to some of it as "Gothenburg Metal" regardless of where its from I believe hm...
#19
Metal archives, as far as genres are concerned, are more anal than a transvestite who is into pegging. The only other site which I hold in lower authority about genre definition is wikipedia.
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#20
bay area thrash deserves a section, german not so much, seeing as german thrash is pretty much what thrash in general sounds like.
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#22
I dare not venture in there, because of fear that a penis will come out of my computer screen and will rape my brain.

MHD, I trust you are not putting melodic thrash as a genre as well?

Deadit: ^If any, then this place. Usually, I just ask someone who knows them, or I listen to it myself and judge.
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#23
hm i think anus is... american nihilistic underground society and it might have just as anal subgenre definitions as MA I guess O_o... I happen to agree with a bunch while others I havent cared to check... and their reviews are usually the crap that might make me wanna force a fetus down their throat if I'm looking for melodeath I'd rather just look there and here haha
#24
I only know that they came up with the whole hessian schtick, and although funny, they were serious about it, and thus, deserve a bitchslap from the man with the largest hands in the world.
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#25
anus are a bunch of idiots who don't really know their music to be honest. plus as dead fish insinuated, pretty homosexual. what i figured ill do, is that whoever writes up thrash (which could very well be me I guess) can divide it however they want. same with the other genres, although it would be a good idea for death metal genres to be done separately as i can quite capably do first and second wave, although will need others to do melodic (looking at you nosferatu ), brutal and technical. if someone can think of other death metal genres that need doing, feel free to do them. hopefully we can get a list of what we'll include pretty soon and then we can start assigning people to whatever they want to do. i'll edit all that into the first post when it happens
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#26
You have to include crust punk because grindcore evolved from it.
Also add as a subg-death-deathcore
#27
dear god
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#28
OK I edited into my first post the list

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#29
Industrial is a pretty damn big one you'll need to put in.

Devy metal, if you wanna go that far.

EDIT: Crossover thrash as well.
Hell, if you're going to all of this effort, you may aswell do metalcore. If you're doing deathcore and crust punk, you should do metalcore.
Last edited by Internal Chaos at Apr 22, 2008,
#30
nah fuck metalcore. why don't we do hardcore, nu-metal and screamo while we're at it? no.

crossover thrash is a yes
industrial metal: i hope you don't mean rammstein
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#31
No, I mean Industrial metal.

Well, why not do metalcore? You way as well.

Deathcore = Death metal + Hardcore
Crossover thrash = Thrash metal + Hardcore
Grindcore + Crust punk = Both genres that fit in well with hardcore, if not better. Crust punk has nothing to do with metal.

If you're gonna do all of those, do metalcore. It's just metal mixed with hardcore.


Nu-Metal has nothing to do with hardcore. It's closer to groove than anything else.
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Quote by Internal Chaos
No, I mean Industrial metal.

Well, why not do metalcore? You way as well.

Deathcore = Death metal + Hardcore
Crossover thrash = Thrash metal + Hardcore
Grindcore + Crust punk = Both genres that fit in well with hardcore, if not better. Crust punk has nothing to do with metal.

If you're gonna do all of those, do metalcore. It's just metal mixed with hardcore.


Nu-Metal has nothing to do with hardcore. It's closer to groove than anything else.


I know nu-metal has nothing to do with hardcore.

Anyway, we have to draw the line somewhere, and we're drawing it before metalcore.
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#33
Quote by MHDrunk
I know nu-metal has nothing to do with hardcore.

Anyway, we have to draw the line somewhere, and we're drawing it before metalcore.

Why should we draw it at metalcore?

It is more metal than fucking crust punk. It's more metal than most grindcore, too. Are you gonna say that grindcore was influenced by crust punk?

Or are you gonna go the full way and say that deathgrind was the result of a combination of grindcore + brutal death?

Of course there are the offshoots of grind, such as scenegrind (bands like wecamewithbrokenteeth, Pre-school Tea Party Massacre, Dr. Acula) and electronicore (HORSE the Band, Genghis Tron).

Don't forget mathcore, a combination of hardcore + techdeath (and also hardcore/jazz, hardcore/groove) with bands of all different sounds ranging from The Dillinger Escape Plan to Five Star Prison Cell (both incredibly different sounding bands) and from Into The Moat to Psyopus (also incredibly different, and incredibly different from the first two mention)

Seriously. Either add metalcore + mathcore or get hardcore crust out of there. It's gonna look stupid if you don't.

Why add the background of one genre if you're not gonna elaborate on the other genres it helped create?
#35
grindcore is considered metal. metalcore isn't. crust punk will be mentioned in passing in the grindcore section as an influence on it. anything else, princess?
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#36
Well, why is grindcore more metal than metalcore?

Grindcore evolved PURELY from punk and hardcore. There were no metal influences whatsoever, and it's goal was to piss people off. Grindcore didn't become metal at all until brutal death metal influenced it to become deathgrind. From this genre came numerous genres

Goregrind - Carcass, Circle of Dead Children...
Pornogrind - Cock and Ball Torture, GUT...
Noisegrind - Anal Cunt, The Gerogerigegege...
Cybergrind - Agoraphobic Nosebleed...
Nu-Grind/Scenegrind/Scenecore - wecamewithbrokenteeth, Dr. Acula...
Electronicore - HORSE the Band, Genghis Tron...
Nintendocore - iamerror...

If you're gonna do crust punk (a genre that is in NO WAY metal, I might add), why not do metalcore, a subgenre that is fairly metal, some bands borderline.

Hell, do Nu-Metal. Bands like Godsmack and Slipknot could actually pass metal, compared to the crust.
#37
Gothic Metal (Lacuna Coil, Epica, Nightwish, etc)
Avant-Garde Metal (Behold... The Arctopus, Meshuggah, etc)
Progressive Death Metal (Opeth, The Faceless, later Death, etc.)
Industrial Metal (I'm refering to the "true" industrial metal. DååTH, The Amenta, Pain, etc)

That's just off the top of my head.

Quote by Internal Chaos
Well, why is grindcore more metal than metalcore?

Grindcore evolved PURELY from punk and hardcore. There were no metal influences whatsoever, and it's goal was to piss people off. Grindcore didn't become metal at all until brutal death metal influenced it to become deathgrind. From this genre came numerous genres

Goregrind - Carcass, Circle of Dead Children...
Pornogrind - Cock and Ball Torture, GUT...
Noisegrind - Anal Cunt, The Gerogerigegege...
Cybergrind - Agoraphobic Nosebleed...
Nu-Grind/Scenegrind/Scenecore - wecamewithbrokenteeth, Dr. Acula...
Electronicore - HORSE the Band, Genghis Tron...
Nintendocore - iamerror...

If you're gonna do crust punk (a genre that is in NO WAY metal, I might add), why not do metalcore, a subgenre that is fairly metal, some bands borderline.

Hell, do Nu-Metal. Bands like Godsmack and Slipknot could actually pass metal, compared to the crust.

I would stick Genghis Tron and HORSE in with Cybergrind. They evolved the same style of mixing electronic influences, from the drums to the random effects into the one. Also add The Berzerker.
#38
Avant Garde is a wank, just call it progressive ffs.
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#39
No.
Prog has certain defining characteristics that make it prog.
Avant-garde does not. It's music that physically can't fit in a different genre.
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Don't fall victim to that pretentious crap. It's an artistic/move term that merely means to 'push the boundaries'. It's an exploration and it falls in prog. Just because you can change your progression and move something around, and hold your guitar to close to your amp doesn't mean your an avant garde band. It's a wanker term for wanker bands.

Excuse my elitism. The term doesn't apply and most people don't understand it. Meshuggah are progressive death or Experimental.

People should stop calling things Avant Garde. I've seen nothing to even fit that term in recent metal. sigh.
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