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The world goes through thousand year cycles of natural warming and cooling, like a REALLY long & mild winter and summer.. It's just the distance from the sun being a little closer than it was 100 years ago... Also, did you know that North America use to be tropics? that's why there is so much coal here.

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Yes.
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i think it is a cycle but the greenhouse gases speed up the process of the natural cycle.
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and all continents used to be connected in one large land mass, WoWzOrS!!!!11
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i think it is a cycle but the greenhouse gases speed up the process of the natural cycle.


It's been cooling for the last 40 years.
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i think it is a cycle but the greenhouse gases speed up the process of the natural cycle.


you know that a volcano irrupting, releases more gas then all the cars in the world in i believe one week... Don't quote me on that time though..
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How much is the Republican Party paying you?

Kidding.

But for those who deny global warming, all I have to say is that's probably what the Martians said before their planet turned into a dry, lifeless abyss.
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How much is the Republican Party paying you?

Kidding.

But for those who deny global warming, all I have to say is that's probably what the Martians said before their planet turned into a dry, lifeless abyss.

Scientists believe the higher the temperature goes, the more CO2 is produced, not the other way around. I don't believe in GW.
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if you're really interested in it, look up facts on the planet nibiru, youre closer than many in saying every 1000 years, but, its more like every 3200 years, the poles change. check it out, NIBIRU, it will mess with your beliefs, and everything you've ever been told. but historical evidence can't deny it either.
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How much is the Republican Party paying you?

Kidding.

But for those who deny global warming, all I have to say is that's probably what the Martians said before their planet turned into a dry, lifeless abyss.


i don't really like where republicans or democrats stand on much of anything... also, i think its really annoying how politically correct it is to blame the human race for everything. Ya, we cut trees down and we little a little too much, but the planet cooling and warming is WAY out of our reach...
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#17
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Wut? Looks like it's warming to me



Interesting graph... I've seen a few that are the opposite haha. But throwing my and your argument aside, 200 years is just a blink of the eye in geological terms.
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you know that a volcano irrupting, releases more gas then all the cars in the world in i believe one week... Don't quote me on that time though..
Well, Ice ages are supposed to be preceded by a burst of global warming. Historically this has been accompanied with an increase in volcanic activity in a short space of time. Volcanic eruptions are rare, but cars are not.

If Co2 is responsible then we could be speeding up the process to an ice age by pumping **** loads of CO2 into the atmosphere.
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Interesting graph... I've seen a few that are the opposite haha. But, throwing my and your argument aside. 200 years is just a blink of the eye in geological terms.
Indeed, but until the graph starts falling significantly all we can say is "the temperature is rising and continues to do so".

Yes the Earth has been hotter in the past, but by the time the temperature starts reaching that peak it'll be too late to do anything about it and there will be a lot of death.
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if you're really interested in it, look up facts on the planet nibiru, youre closer than many in saying every 1000 years, but, its more like every 3200 years, the poles change. check it out, NIBIRU, it will mess with your beliefs, and everything you've ever been told. but historical evidence can't deny it either.


I'm not going to confirm nor deny my belief in this theory. Simply because i DO believe the world is going to end one day and if this is how it goes down by His will, so be it.
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You're correct with the cycle process, although I'm not sure it is 1k long. However, the main concern we have is that the fluctuation in that 1k long period between cold and hot, that you describe is directly proportional to the CO2 in the air.
In the last century the CO2 in our atmosphere has jumped drastically, it has gone far beyond what normally would be in that fluctuation pattern. Albeit we dont feel much difference at the moment with temperature changes(just a couple degrees a year), at this rate we would be reaching CO2 amounts found on Venus, albeit not in our lifetime, it would be probably at the current rate.
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#25
I hope all you idiots that joke about this, suffer the most. Later fags.
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the man is smart, no doubt i respect the guy for making the video.. but he is bias none the less, at one point he says "well isn't global warming scientifically proven to not exist?" then be basically says... "**** THAT BUT IT MIGHT BE!!! WE SHOULD **** OVER THE ECONOMY ANYWAY!!" which to me just sounds like he is paranoid
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the man is smart, no doubt i respect the guy for making the video.. but he is bias none the less, at one point he says "well isn't global warming scientifically proven to not exist?" then be basically says... "**** THAT BUT IT MIGHT BE!!! WE SHOULD **** OVER THE ECONOMY ANYWAY!!" which to me just sounds like he is paranoid

Is it an acceptable risk to take? What you're doing is basically ignoring everything that the majority of scientists have found, and listening to what a small percentage are saying - what you want to be true.
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Quote by touji-za-nai
I'm not going to confirm nor deny my belief in this theory. Simply because i DO believe the world is going to end one day and if this is how it goes down by His will, so be it.



well, i'm glad you get it, but that wasn't my point, the planets all effect ours, and one that is so far out there coming close by, could affect us much more severely. the myans say 2012, but that doesn't mean an end, it actually means a new beginning. read up on it, it's very cool stuff, and it's something i base my beliefs on.

it beat the hell out of fairy tales on imaginary figures, and life lessons that are supposed to be taken as completely true. don't you agree?
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the man is smart, no doubt i respect the guy for making the video.. but he is bias none the less, at one point he says "well isn't global warming scientifically proven to not exist?" then be basically says... "**** THAT BUT IT MIGHT BE!!! WE SHOULD **** OVER THE ECONOMY ANYWAY!!" which to me just sounds like he is paranoid
No, he made a logical argument which basically says "No solid evidence for global warming, 4 possible outcomes, pick the column that is least catastrophic"
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the man is smart, no doubt i respect the guy for making the video.. but he is bias none the less, at one point he says "well isn't global warming scientifically proven to not exist?" then be basically says... "**** THAT BUT IT MIGHT BE!!! WE SHOULD **** OVER THE ECONOMY ANYWAY!!" which to me just sounds like he is paranoid

That's not what he's saying, he's saying some economic harm is a better result than destruction of humanity. It's called taking a maximin strategy in game theory. Taking action against climate change isn't going to '**** over the economy', do some research.
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Is it an acceptable risk to take? What you're doing is basically ignoring everything that the majority of scientists have found, and listening to what a small percentage are saying - what you want to be true.


no no no, there is plenty of evidence on both sides... there have been holes dug in Antarctica, miles deep, with plant life taken out and studied.. Scientists from that have found that the Earth was warmer then than it is now.
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In the end all this guy says is "The world has been hotter in the past" I've seen it before.


Exactly the earth has been pretty constant for a while now.
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That's not what he's saying, he's saying some economic harm is a better result than destruction of humanity. It's called taking a maximin strategy in game theory. Taking action against climate change isn't going to '**** over the economy', do some research.



welllllllll there is debate that switching to alternative fuels (for example ethanol) will screw up food and fuel trades and mess up the economy.. though thats just what I've heard.
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no no no, there is plenty of evidence on both sides... there have been holes dug in Antarctica, miles deep, with plant life taken out and studied.. Scientists from that have found that the Earth was warmer then than it is now.

Obviously the majority have found it's warmer now than before, or else we'd hear about it a lot more, because that's the news people want to hear.
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no no no, there is plenty of evidence on both sides... there have been holes dug in Antarctica, miles deep, with plant life taken out and studied.. Scientists from that have found that the Earth was warmer then than it is now.



someone who knows what their talking about??????????? that's rare for the pit!!!!!!!!!!!
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Obviously the majority have found it's warmer now than before, or else we'd hear about it a lot more, because that's the news people want to hear.


It's a lot easier to yell into a crowd and tell them that they are ****in' up and get them all riled up, than it is to tell them once they are crazy to settle down false alarm.
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welllllllll there is debate that switching to alternative fuels (for example ethanol) will screw up food and fuel trades and mess up the economy.. though thats just what I've heard.



of course it will, it will screw over the government, cause they want the oil to sell, why do you think gas is so high right now? food prices reflect transportation, and the growing season. everything comes back to one point. i said it earlier, unfortunately i seem like some baked out quack when saying it. research planet nibiru. if youre ignorant enough to think we are the only ones in this universe, knock yourself out, leave it alone, otherwise, its at least worth a read and you decide from there.

anyone recall a few years ago they discovered planet x?????? funny how these things come about, even though they were know 3200 years ago, and 10 000 years ago etc........
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Quote by touji-za-nai
welllllllll there is debate that switching to alternative fuels (for example ethanol) will screw up food and fuel trades and mess up the economy.. though thats just what I've heard.

'Well' only has two ls. That is true, but that isn't usually included in the 'mess up the economy' argument.

I've just spent two weeks writing an essay on the economics of climate change. One study I read showed that the economic impact of an Emissions Trading Scheme on the European Union shows a 'modest losses or zero impact' on employment and losses in competitiveness of less than 0.5% for most industries.

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anyone recall a few years ago they discovered planet x?????? funny how these things come about, even though they were know 3200 years ago, and 10 000 years ago etc........

You do realise that Planet X is only hypothetical, it hasn't been 'discovered', and scientists question its existence, right?
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