#1
Hey guys i was surfing around ebay ,and found this awesome epiphone les paul custom..with this amazing finish...why don't we have this color on the US models is it only for over seas?







They seriously need to rid of the black and white and do this color...
#2
Take out the black and white for that!! HELL NO!!! Its not even good looking...puke yellow or pee green. Take your choice on what to call it.
Be cool.
#3
its dark gold man! pee ?mine isnt that dark... lol...o well maybe is just my taste..i get to bored with seeing black and white guitars all the time.
#4
if your pee is this dark..drink some water
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#5
FYi, they have taken out the white version... sort of. They replaced the old pure-white 'Alpine White' with a cream 'Antique White' (even more yellow than the 'vintage white' that's often made). Bad move in my opinion, but whatever...

Anyway, that's a fake.

Firstly, it's photographed like all the other fakes.
Secondly, Epiphone have never released any guitar in that solid colour, ever, assuming those photos are correct. I would say it could be their flip-flop green/teal finish, or it could be a gold flake finish; but Customs have never been made with either of those, and those finishes would only end up looking like that with lighting designed to make them look weird PLUS some editing too. In other words, the only way it could be those finishes was if someone went out of their way to purposefully make this guitar look fake, which is just stupid. And again, Epiphone have never made that colour anyway.


There are a lot of fake 'Epiphone Les Paul Custom' guitars around at the moment. If you don't believe, ask for a picture of the serial number. If it's an 'EE' number, then it's a fake, no doubt about it.



EDIT: christ, I just looked up that guitar on eBay. That's so obviously fake! They're listing it as the old alder/mahogany body which Epi Customs have never had, a flame maple top which it clearly doesn't have (and if it did, it'd be a different finish and be a Custom Plus top anyway), and they very suspiciously show the end of the serial number, but not the first half.

Though I will grant them one thing: it seems they're claiming it is a gold flake finish, which Epiphone do make on some guitars (never on an LP Custom though!), and the dodgy colour balance seems to support this; basically they took the picture relaly badly, under inappropriate lighting, so the gold looks green.
That still doesn't change the fact that Epiphone have never made the Custom in that finish, or that their listed specs are wrong, or that it looks like every other fake around.
Last edited by bokuho at Apr 25, 2008,
#6
damn man ..i didnt even know people were putting out fake epiphones lucky i never bought mine off ebay..GC. In ways thats really ****ed up selling a knock off like that ,but if Epiphone did make it in that color i would be sweet.
#7
They do, just not on LP Customs. In fact, they currently don't use the Gold Flake finish on any guitar.

Then there's the fact that in that picture, the gold looks green... they really need to learn how to use a camera properly.


Epiphone does make the LP Studio in a green 'flip flop' finish that changes colour, but mostly stays green. It's pretty crap though (not to mention, Epi Studios are some of the worst guitars money can buy).
#8
Quote by bokuho
There are a lot of fake 'Epiphone Les Paul Custom' guitars around at the moment. If you don't believe, ask for a picture of the serial number. If it's an 'EE' number, then it's a fake, no doubt about it.


I know people with legit LP Customs with EE serial numbers. I also emailed Epiphone today asking where the customs are made - China, hence the EE serial number. Where you get your info from I have no idea, it's getting a little annoying having to read your nonsense constantly.
#9
That's funny, because I e-mailed them about the same subject last year and they informed me that all Custom, Custom Plus Top, Ultra, G-400 Custom, G-1275 Custom, 1956 Goldtop, Black Beauty, Joe Perry Boneyard, B.B. King Lucille, Joe Pass Emperor-II, Nick Valensi Riviera P94, ES-295, John Lennon Casino and John Lennon Revolution, should always have a 'U' serial number.

FYI, 'U' is a Korean serial number, while 'EE' is a Chinese factory serial (look it up yourself if you don't believe me). Ergo, all of the above mentioned models should be made in Korea, not China - Chinese made ('EE') serial numbers are therefore incorrect.


The only possibility would be if since I contacted me, they switched their production over. I find this very unlikely however, that in under eight months they would switch their entire production over to a different country, and already have scores of guitars hitting the shelves.


EDIT: for reference, this is what the first half of the serial on a Custom should look like:



That's a 2004-made LP Custom. The serial should be formatted like that, in gold, imprinted like that and placed that far from the tuners (you can see the top corner of one tuner for reference). Any other format, lettering, font, style, size or placement on a Custom means it's a fake, basically.

For the record, I took that literally just two minutes ago since I had the guitar sitting in my lap anyway. I apologise for the blur, but I couldn't be bothered to get my DSLR out now to photograph it properly. And before anyone asks, the suspicious pale gunk on the back of that guitar was just where the store had the price sticker that I have since taken off.
Last edited by bokuho at Apr 25, 2008,
#10
Walk into any store and look at the Customs. If they were made in the last 2 years or so they're Chinese made and they'll have the EE serial number. Epiphone even had a big article on their website about the move from Korea to the factory in China in 2005.

Am I going have to go to GC and take pictures of a Custom's serial number to prove this?
#11
Quote by Whole Lotta Led
Walk into any store and look at the Customs. If they were made in the last 2 years or so they're Chinese made and they'll have the EE serial number. Epiphone even had a big article on there website about the move from Korea to the factory in China in 2005.
Considering my contact with them just last year, I find this to be frankly, bull****. Especially since their Chinese factory opened in 2003 and the only production shift was in 2006 when they removed the use of Alder in most bodies.

Am I going have to go to GC and take pictures of a Custom's serial number to prove this?
Quite frankly, you'll need photos, certificates of authentication, and a trace mark.



If Epiphone have (somewhat miraculously) moved their entire mid-range production to China and managed to pump out guitars to the shelf within just the last eight months, and you can provide definitive proof of this, then great. But I'm sure anyone can see how unlikely it is that they could have processed such a large shift in production in such a relatively short space of time.


You're also failing to address the problem that that guitar was never even made in that finish, which is somewhat the point of the thread.
#12
Bokuho, Look at the reviews on this website.
Some of them state that their Epiphone Les Paul custom is Chinese made. Somebody purchased one off GAK.co.uk or wherever, and stated it's a Chinese made Epiphone.
You really don't believe that GAK's going to sell fake Epiphones do you?
I'm going to a store today, and I may take some pictures of some serials..
#13
Everytime Bokuho comes into a thread, a huge argument begins. Bokuho, btw I thought you said epiphones were crap except for th elitist series? ONTOPIC: That finish is awesome, If they made that, I would totally get it.
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#14
Quote by bokuho
FYi, they have taken out the white version... sort of. They replaced the old pure-white 'Alpine White' with a cream 'Antique White' (even more yellow than the 'vintage white' that's often made). Bad move in my opinion, but whatever...

****... i love alpine whit LP's.- now i'll have to go with rondomusic, but they are better anyway. and it might be a fake. just look at some fake guiitars on wholesale sites. someone who doesnt notice them is retarded
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#15
yea...bokuho....i have to say i think that your wrong about the chinese serial number thing. while that guitar is very much a fake, all of the authentic customs i have played have been chinese. That was actually part of the reason i avoided the customs, their chinese made. I know that the factories they come from are nice and all, but with that much cash, i'm not risking it.
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#16
Korea

* I = Saein
* U = Unsung
* S = Samick
* P or R = Peerless
* K = Korea

China

* DW = DeaWon
* EA = Gibson/QingDao
* EE = Gibson/QingDao
* MC = Muse
* SJ = SaeJung
* Z = Zaozhuang Saehan
* BW = China

Japan

* No letter or F = FujiGen
* J or T = Terada

Czech Republic

* B = Bohêmia Musico-Delicia

Indonesia

* SI = Samick
#17
In the early 1970s, Epiphone began to manufacture instruments in Japan. From the 1980s, Epiphones were manufactured mainly in Korea by contractors licensed by Gibson. One of these contractors was Samick, which also built instruments under license for other brands and in its own name. Thus, a Korean-era solidbody Epiphone would have been built under license. The brand was primarily used to issue less expensive versions of classic Gibson models, in a manner similar to that of the Squier brand by Fender. These Epiphones were sometimes built with different tonewoods from the original Gibson versions, which often resulted in the instruments bearing a visual and ergonomic similarity to the Gibson originals but having a slightly different tone. For example, bodies of the G-400 SG copy were made with either mahogany or alder body, depending on the availability of the wood.

Samick has stopped manufacturing guitars in Korea. In 2002, Gibson opened a factory in Qingdao, China, which manufactures Epiphone guitars and no others.


I got that from wikipedia

p.s. i know nothing about this stuff so.. just giving what i read
#18
Considering my contact with them just last year, I find this to be frankly, bull****. Especially since their Chinese factory opened in 2003 and the only production shift was in 2006 when they removed the use of Alder in most bodies.


I contacted them just today after reading that same comment from you last night about the EE serial number and Customs. They'd have no reason to lie about it either. Maybe they did open the China factory in 2003 and kept doing Customs in Korea for a little longer but any custom I've seen in the past two years has an "EE" serial number. The earliest I've seen any Epiphone with a Chinese serial number was 05.

Quite frankly, you'll need photos, certificates of authentication, and a trace mark.


This is coming from the guy that claims Gibson manufactures the pickups in the Gibson LP Studio in China or Korea but has no photos, certificates of authentication, and a trace mark to back that up. Along with your other claims about Epiphone and Gibson that you just can't seem to back up...

I'd find it hard to believe that every Epiphone Les Paul Custom I've seen in the past two years are all fakes and this includes ones you'd find right on the shelf at Guitar Center.
Last edited by Whole Lotta Led at Apr 25, 2008,
#19
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Take out the black and white for that!! HELL NO!!! Its not even good looking...puke yellow or pee green. Take your choice on what to call it.

White looks faggy. Black is alright.

Yellow is maddog.
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#21
Heh, nice find man awesome colour! Maybe it is fake, but who cares? I still want it's babies. Looks sort of like the 'TV Yellow' you get on some vintage guitars, but darker. As for all the fussing over serial numbers, and where they're manufactured etc, I don't know. All I can do is add my two cents;

My Epiphone Les Paul Standard


Shot of the serial number


Entering the serial number into Guitar Dater Project gets this;

Your guitar was made at the
Unsung Plant, Korea
December 2003
Production Number: 2001


So there you have it. Maybe I'm just not reading your posts properly, but it seems some of you are saying that Korea is LP Custom only? My guitar proves you wrong. Unless it's a fake, of course lol. Speaking of which- who cares? It's not as if Epiphones are 'genuine'. I've always been of the belief that it doesn't matter where it was made, so long as it's a good guitar. Most 'modern' (it's not as if mine is vintage lol) Epiphones I've played have been terrible. My one is really nice. Stands up to my Gibson, near enough. A change of the electronics and a professional re-fret, and there'd be very little difference at all. So, it would seem that the older Korean-made ones are better than Chinese/Indonesian ones.

Unfortunately, while that eBay one may or may not be genuine, even if you don't care, there's no way of knowing whether it's any good until you get your hands on it, by which time you've already bought it. With cheap copies, while you can get some really great ones (my Epiphone is testament to that), the quality really differes wildly from guitar to guitar. I would advise playing some before buying them.
Last edited by Martin Scott at Jun 6, 2008,
#22
Quote by Martin Scott
Heh, nice find man awesome colour! Maybe it is fake, but who cares? I still want it's babies. Looks sort of like the 'TV Yellow' you get on some vintage guitars, but darker. As for all the fussing over serial numbers, and where they're manufactured etc, I don't know. All I can do is add my two cents;

My Epiphone Les Paul Standard


Shot of the serial number


Entering the serial number into Guitar Dater Project gets this;


So there you have it. Maybe I'm just not reading your posts properly, but it seems some of you are saying that Korea is LP Custom only? My guitar proves you wrong. Unless it's a fake, of course lol. Speaking of which- who cares? It's not as if Epiphones are 'genuine'. I've always been of the belief that it doesn't matter where it was made, so long as it's a good guitar. Most 'modern' (it's not as if mine is vintage lol) Epiphones I've played have been terrible. My one is really nice. Stands up to my Gibson, near enough. A change of the electronics and a professional re-fret, and there'd be very little difference at all. So, it would seem that the older Korean-made ones are better than Chinese/Indonesian ones.

Unfortunately, while that eBay one may or may not be genuine, even if you don't care, there's no way of knowing whether it's any good until you get your hands on it, by which time you've already bought it. With cheap copies, while you can get some really great ones (my Epiphone is testament to that), the quality really differes wildly from guitar to guitar. I would advise playing some before buying them.


You're not reading the posts properly: Bokuho was saying that all Epiphone LP Customs should be Korean made. As far as I know, no one in this thread is saying that only Epiphone LP Customs are Korean made. Whether or not he is correct, I have no idea.

As far as Epiphone guitars not being genuine, I have no idea what you mean. A Epiphone guitar is a "genuine" Epiphone guitar, and--despite the fact that a good guitar is a good guitar--I would always prefer not being deceived. If I'm being told that I'm purchasing an Epiphone, I would like to get the guitar that I was told I purchased.

EDIT: But yes, playing before you purchase---ESPECIALLY with "low" to "middle" end guitars such as these Epiphone LPs--is definitely a smart choice.
Fender Standard Stratocaster
BC Rich Mockingbird Supreme (USA Custom Shop)
BC Rich NJ Neck-Thru Series Mockingbird
Epiphone Elite Les Paul Standard

Laney TT50-112
Peavey Classic 30
Epiphone Valve Junior
Roland Microcube
Last edited by FourSticks17 at Jun 13, 2008,