#1
I have a Crate Bx-15, it has15 watts with an 8" speaker, will it allows me to jam with drums and guitar? The drums is just your typical 5 piece with a ride, crash and HH. Guitar is using a 15 watt guitar amp (unknown what it is). Will this be enough to play, and be heard, with these instruments?

If it matters, it will be a 3-piece band, covering the likes of everything from Rush to Iron Maiden (yes, a 3 piece band covering iron maiden :P)


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#2
Probably not. I struggled to get my 30W Vox loud enough back in the day.
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no, especially with the speaker, with bass, you want at least a 12", preferably a 15" to get over a drumset. My little G-K has enough power to make it over a drumset at 70w but it only has a 10" speaker, so by the time I crank it above 4 or so, it fuzzes out like crazy. I'd say shoot for a 50w or so with a 12" or bigger speaker. Hell go with a behringer and you can get it dirt cheap, 120w for $150: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-BX1200-Ultrabass-120W-1x12-Combo?sku=480675V
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#6
ok, you're going to need AT LEAST 100w to compete with a drummer + guitarist. The more wattage the better. Whats your budget? You're looking at around $300-$400US minimum for a new, good amp that will last a while. Carvin, Ashdown, and Hartke are all good names. If you've got a tight budget, you can get a good solid one used for a bit less if you look around. Craigslist is a good place to start.

And, whatever you do, STAY AWAY FROM BEHRINGER!. They state peak wattage, which is rarely reached. Divide the wattage about in half to get a better estimate. Plus there stuff is rarely if ever designed by them, just cheap knockoffs made in china. Every one I have tried, including their $550us halfstack, has sounded like crap.
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#7
You'll need more like 150W With either a 15" speaker or an arangement of multiple 12" or 10" speakers to have a chance against a drummer.
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#8
Yea, no. Its fine for practicing in your bedroom, but its not gonna work in an ensemble setting. People all have their ideas of what you need to play with a drummer, but I dont think anyone hear would say you can go less then 100 watts. Id say personally that 150 watts is enough to be heard without distorting, but if you can get 200 watts, go for it, the extra wattage is really nice to have.
#9
Nope not enough. I agree you need at least between 100-150 Watts with a 12" speaker or up.

Those 15Watts combos have only 1 purpose: Practice in your bedroom. You might be able to jam with a giutar on a simular watt amp but by no means will you be heard against a drummer.
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#10
- 70 Watts; you'll be struggling to fight the drums al the time
- 100 Watts; you can make it vs drums and guitar but you have to crank the amp max, sometimes at loss of clarity/quality
- 150 Watts; this is where things get better. Usually takes on drum alright
- Anything 300 and higher; you'll never need something louder again
- 15W Only if the drums are in another room
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I had to play with a 15w amp when i first started out. It makes a great amp for at home ( i mean tone is still crap but it doesn't take up alot of room) but when I tried to play with a 10w guitar amp and a 5pc Drum set in a SKA band it deffiniatly didn't work. I had to sit on my amp to hear (read:feel) myself. Terrible.

I now run 300w GK and the guitarist is on a 100w marshall. It works out great. The guitar can still get louder but with reasonable levels it works awsome.

If your playing with drums you need more than 15w.

maybe look at a 100w combo if your on a budget. I wouldn't advise Berhinger.

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maybe look at a 100w combo if your on a budget. I wouldn't advise Berhinger.

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You'll need more like 150W With either a 15" speaker or an arangement of multiple 12" or 10" speakers to have a chance against a drummer.


Jack is dead on. My ampeg 3158 (15 and 8" speaker combo) is just enough to get over the drums and even then my drummer has a bit of a time hearing me on louder songs.

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15W Only if the drums are in another room

This made me laugh. In my house, the way the drummer plays it would require being in another part of the city block to be heard over him with a 15W. Even when he used brushes, I couldn't get around him on a 30W amp.
#14
Not even with the doors closed?

Edit: There's a drum set two doors from my room, and with the drummer going nuts - there's a little piece of hall between that room and my room, and playing my bass through my blown up Squier 10W guitar amp does the trick (just tested!).

Sounds awful though :p
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#15
For me, 35 watts works fine. I can easily hear myself over the drummer & the 2 guitarists. I don't even need to max out the volume.

This thread makes me feel like I've missed something really important.
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For me, 35 watts works fine. I can easily hear myself over the drummer & the 2 guitarists. I don't even need to max out the volume.

This thread makes me feel like I've missed something really important.


Yes. Being able to determine you are actually playing something while standing next to your amp on full volume does not mean anyone else can.
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i have a BX-15, and i have used it in a small room rehearsal. the guitar played through a Marshall MG10CD, 10w amp, and the drums were a minimal set. 5 pc, ride, crash, HH. it worked well enough for the drummer to learn our set, for a party we had to play a few days later. but it was far from good sound. a single 8" speaker cannot produce bass frequencies loud enough to be heard effectivly. so the answer to your question is no.
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actually you can
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#22
Not only would be able to be heard over a person talking at a loud-ish volume, but I've found that any amp below 50W usually sounds pretty ****ty.
#23
God Damn It I'm Too Poor For This ****...i Have A Fifteen Watt Sx And 15 Watt Drive, Now If There Was Only A Way I Could Combine The Two To Make One Amp...hmmm
#24
I used to own a Fender Rumble 15w 10" amp, and I found it worked fine for small rehearsals with a guitarist and a drummer. Of course, the drummer was only three days into learning drums, and I had only been playing for 2 months, and we were playing a TERRIBLE cover of Hysteria, but it worked out good. Any sort of gigging will require a large amount of wattage, 100-180 will do fine.
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#25
I used to practice with a 25W Carlsbro, my first amp with the other guitarists on 15W Fenders
and the drummer on a full kit. Needless to say it didnt work out too well so I got a 120W Hartke for £300 which was much better(although the amp was **** for other reasons) and now im on a 480W GK
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#26
make the drummer practice with brushes and you will probably be okay
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#27
when i was jamming with one band i had a 400 watt yorkville head.. and a 4x10 cab. i had it cranked ALL the time trying to keep up with these guys..

one dude had a 5150 halfstack, and the other guy had a 5150 combo and the drummer (BAss drum triggers) and singer were going thru a PA. i could hear myself ok.. but i still can't believe i had the thing cranked.. ALL the time.
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#28
Yeah i have to use a 1 x 15 and a 4 x 10 hartke set up, with a 300 watt hartke head to be heard over our 2 guitarists and drummer, could probably get away with the 4 x 10, but best to be safe!
#29
Sorry to jump on the thread, but could you possibly link an Ampeg BA115 to a cab or not?
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