#1
I was looking at the lesson here about the minor and major pentatonic scales.
I printed them off and have been studying them and memorizing them.

I was just wondering if I am interpreting these correctly:

Minor:

e|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
A|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
E|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|

Major:

e|-|---|-O-|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|---|-O-|---|
A|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
E|-|---|-O-|---|-o-|---|

And the other 3 patterns:

e|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-O-|---|---|-o-|
G|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
D|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
A|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|
E|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|

e|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
D|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
A|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
E|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|

e|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
A|-|-O-|---|-o-|---|---|
E|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|


So the first one there is the main minor pentatonic scale. The next one is the major pentatonic scale, and the other 3 are the other patterns for the minor pentatonic scale? I'm sort of confused.

I saw a youtube video explaining there are 5 patterns in total for the minor pentatonic, but it said nothing about the major. Are those the five patterns that I need to learn, and can they be played on any section of the guitar neck?

I'm new to guitar, so I don't know much yet.
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Last edited by Ryan14 at Apr 26, 2008,
#2
That second position there that says major is actually the second position of the minor pentatonic. And the last position up there should be the fourth not the fifth position. Also the last one there should have its fourth note higher by half a step.

oh yeah, also for good lessons on youtube go to justin sandercoe, and nextlevel guitar. Also on the nextlevel guitar website i did the free trial period and they have some really good stuff.
Last edited by yoyodunno at Apr 26, 2008,
#3
Quote by yoyodunno
That second position there that says major is actually the second position of the minor pentatonic. And the last position up there should be the fourth not the fifth position. Also the last one there should have its fourth note higher by half a step.

oh yeah, also for good lessons on youtube go to justin sandercoe, and nextlevel guitar. Also on the nextlevel guitar website i did the free trial period and they have some really good stuff.

Oh, so all these are different positions of the minor pentatonic? That lesson screwed me up. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
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#4
Quote by Ryan14
Oh, so all these are different positions of the minor pentatonic? That lesson screwed me up. Thanks for clearing this up for me.


Depending on the notes you're playing and the key you're in they can be shapes of the minor pentatonic OR major pentatonic. That's why there's little value in learning the shapes on their own, they're useless unless you know the theory behind them.

Learn the scales first, as in the notes and intervals they contain, then learn the shapes to help you actually use them.
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#6
Quote by yoyodunno
oh yeah, also for good lessons on youtube go to justin sandercoe, and nextlevel guitar. Also on the nextlevel guitar website i did the free trial period and they have some really good stuff.


+1 to NextLevel Guitar. You got to love Dave and his delivery of the material...very likable person.

Too bad YouTube pulled the plug on them last year with copyright stuff .

Chris
#7
So I should be learning the notes in the scales first, then applying that to the patterns?
I know the patterns, and from the help from my guitar book, I know probably about 3-4 notes on each string so far.

Are there any free websites that teach guitar like NextLevel Guitar? I don't wanna pay money right now. I'm getting real lessons in September.
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Last edited by Ryan14 at Apr 27, 2008,
#8
Quote by Ryan14
So I should be learning the notes in the scales first, then applying that to the patterns?
I know the patterns, and from the help from my guitar book, I know probably about 3-4 notes on each string so far.

Are there any free websites that teach guitar like NextLevel Guitar? I don't wanna pay money right now. I'm getting real lessons in September.

You learn the notes on the fretboard, then learn the notes and intervals of the scale. In that way the patterns form themselves when you locate the scale on the fretboard.
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#9
I just looked at this website that shows all the notes on the fret board.

Basically each note has a sharp when you just down half a step (or one fret) except for B and F, right?

eg. A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G#
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#10
As far as I understand , yes. A to B is a wholestep, while A to A# is a halfstep.
#11
It's making sense now. And everything repeats itself after the 12th fret, it's just one octave higher. So any note of the first fret is the same as any note on the 13th fret, but one octave higher.
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#12
Quote by Ryan14
It's making sense now. And everything repeats itself after the 12th fret, it's just one octave higher. So any note of the first fret is the same as any note on the 13th fret, but one octave higher.

exactly

here...

There's only 12 notes on the guitar, they just keep repeating...it's only difficult if you don't take the time to break it down.

1 - learn the open strings...E, A, D, G, B, E
2 - familiarise yourself with the pattern of intervals along the open string, you don't even need to learn it by heart yet, just have it for reference.

3 - realise that the 12 fret is the octave of the open string, and therefore the same note.
4 - realise that the pattern of intervals is constant, so 12 th fret onwards is identical to open string onwards.

... as far as working out notes goes you are currently never more than 6 frets away from a reference note. However, counting along 6 frets is kind of clunky and not particularly easy, but it's a start.

5 - learn the notes that correspond to the next open string, so 5th fret on the E, A, D and B strings, 4th fret on the G

...all of a sudden you're never more than 3 frets way from a known reference note. All of a sudden working out the notes you don't know became a lot easier...almost twice as easy, in fact.

6 - locate the other octaves of the open notes, first the ones on the next string... 7th fret on the A, D, G and high E strings, 8th fret on the B string. Then the octaves two strings away so 2nd fret on the D and G strings, 3rd fret on the B and top E.

7 - in the same way, locate the octaves of the notes you learned in step 5

...all of a sudden you're now never more than 1 fret away from a known reference note, which basically means you know them all!
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#13
Not quite sure I follow you on steps 5, 6, and 7...
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#14
Quote by yoyodunno
Also the last one there [Last Pattern in your post] should have its fourth note higher by half a step.



For clarification: The last box is wrong; It changes from this:

e|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
A|-|-O-|---|-o-|---|---|
E|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|


To this:

e|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
A|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
E|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|


Also, this is position 4, not 5, as said.

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Also, it is worth clarifying that the second position of the minor pentatonic scale IS the first position of the major pentatonic. Here's the minor patterns, in the right order:

1st
e|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
A|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
E|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|

2nd
e|-|---|-O-|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|---|-O-|---|
A|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
E|-|---|-O-|---|-o-|---|

3rd
e|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-O-|---|---|-o-|
G|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
D|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
A|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|
E|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|

4th
e|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
A|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
E|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|

5th
e|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
D|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
A|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
E|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|


And here's the major pentatonic,and its 5 positions:


1st
e|-|---|-O-|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|---|-O-|---|
A|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
E|-|---|-O-|---|-o-|---|

2nd
e|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-O-|---|---|-o-|
G|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
D|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
A|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|
E|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|

3rd
e|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
A|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
E|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|

4th
e|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|
B|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
D|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
A|-|---|-o-|---|-o-|---|
E|-|---|-o-|---|-O-|---|

5th
e|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|
B|-|-o-|---|---|-o-|---|
G|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
D|-|-o-|---|-O-|---|---|
A|-|-o-|---|-o-|---|---|
E|-|-O-|---|---|-o-|---|


Notice that they are the same patterns, just moved along one so that the 2nd box of the minor pentatonic is the first box of the major pentatonic. What happens to the first box of the minor pentatonic? It loops around to be the 5th box of the major pentatonic. So if you know the minor pentatonic boxes, you in effect know the major ones as well. Now all you have to work out is whether a song is major or minor to find out which box is box one.
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Last edited by bartdevil_metal at Apr 27, 2008,
#15
Ah, thanks Bart.
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