#1
Would this work? Would it make the solid state amp sound better?
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Would this work? Would it make the solid state amp sound better?


No.
A Tube power amp will make you sound better. MUCH better.
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#3
Whats the difference between a power amp and a preamp?
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#4
A preamp shapes the tone, a power amp amplifies it to speaker levels
#5
Could you put a poweramp on any amp or does it have to be just a speaker cabinet?
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#6
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No.
A Tube power amp will make you sound better. MUCH better.



im no expert but wouldnt the preamp be the most important part of your tone?

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#7
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im no expert but wouldnt the preamp be the most important part of your tone?


Indeed, especially if it's a high gain preamp.
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#8
There are many amps out there with this set up, called hybrid amps. Some say they are just a marketing gimmick. Will a tube preamp with SS amp sound better than pure SS, yes. Will it sound as good as an all tube amp, no.
#9
Well, I am considering getting an old Kuston I Lead amp 35w that was made in 1978 could I get an tube amp head for this or wouldn't that work?
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#10
Although Marshall, Vox etc would like you to believe otherwise, a tube preamp section will not make your tone better. It will however make it different, and in some cases that might therefore be better. It won't add any of the dynamics and life people associate with tubes though.
#11
If your asking if a tube preamp can be run into the effects send of a SS power amp, yes. I have an old deanmarkley SS amp with a screwed up preamp. I have a chorus pedal in the effects loop on my main amp with 2 sends. 1 send goes back into the return on my main amp the other goes to a stomp box then to the effects return on the other amp. So I can have volume control of the SS amp.
Alone the SS amp sounds like a SS amp with a stomp box in front of it but mixed with my tube amp sounds pretty decent.
#12
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Will a tube preamp with SS amp sound better than pure SS, yes.


That's a matter of opinion.
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#13
Unless you play loud enough to clip the amplifier, a tube pre-amp feeding a solid state amp should sound very similar to a tube pre-amp feeding a tube amp. For all of the love that tube amps get, the fact is that when they're not clipping, the waveform coming out is essentially just a bigger version of the waveform going in. The major differences between solid state and tube occur once you start to clip, which for the amplification stage means exceeding the rated wattage, which in most cases, is at a very, very loud volume. At anything below that, most of your tone comes from signal modification that's done prior to amplification... i.e. in the preamp.
#14
The reason most hybrids sound turd, is because they use low voltage fed to the tubes and get a nasty tone.

A proper tube preamp like one of the ENGLs - an E530 for example, has properly high tube voltage and as such has a great effect on tone. It'd sound good, but if you push the output level up too high you will clip the SS sections of the amp.

I'd guess that the tube section running into a clean SS amp though, would sound really rather good, although not as warm as a real tube amp but definitely warmer and louder.
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#15
Mr Carrots hit the nail right on the head here. The myth that all hybrid setups are bad come stright from the fact that the cheapo hybrid stuff usually has a single tube doing little more than glowing.

A proper tube preamp fed into a solid state poweramp will sound great for low to medium volumes where the amp section not being pushed into distorsion. The thing with tube amps and distorsion is that its a rather organic thing first increasing the harmonic content(increased perceived volume) then breaking up into distorsion. Solid state however does not taper from clean to rich harmonics to breakup instead the just distort audibly very quickly in a rather harsh way.
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#16
Well iv'e been thinking this idea also, and more so the possibility of running my Randall RH200's preamp out into a tube poweramp. But, does anyone know if that would work, like you would have to have the Randall plugged into a cab still to take the load with the amp being on to run the preamp out, and would it make any sound. Because I love the sound of the Randall and can only imagine how good it would sound ran into a full tube poweramp.
#17
Does the Randall have a proper preamp out or is it just an effects send?

If its a preamp out then yes you can run that into a tube power amp. You will need to keep the cab plugged into the head though or the amp will run with no load causing a horrible amell and blue smoke accompanied by a loud crack.
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#18
Would something such as the EH English Muff'n work as a tube preamp for a small solid state amp?
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#19
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Does the Randall have a proper preamp out or is it just an effects send?

If its a preamp out then yes you can run that into a tube power amp. You will need to keep the cab plugged into the head though or the amp will run with no load causing a horrible amell and blue smoke accompanied by a loud crack.

Nah, it just has an effects loop, but i thought the loop out is the preamp out and the loop in is the input srtaight to the poweramp, so wouldn't it still work the same as a preamp out?
#20
Sadly the loop out will bypass the preamp signal and pass your dry signal to the whatever is in your loop.

Sorry to say but this wont work as a preamp out.
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#22
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Well that sucks. I might save up for the Engl E530 and a good tube poweramp.
An Engl E530 does sound good through almost any tube power amp. I own an Engl E530, and it sounds good even through my POS Crate SS practice amp. At first, I was in love with the Engl's infinite gain . . .

BUT, any of my other "real" amps have way more tone than the Engl preamp. I'm soon having my 6505 modded by FJAmods, but, even this "non-boutique" amp utterly pwns the E530 for tone. My two recent Ebay buys, a Mesa/Boogie Single-Rectifier Solo 50, and a Mesa/Boogie DC-3, TOTALLY pwns the sh*t out of my Engl.
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#23
^Oh, well then I guess i should save up for the amp I really want, an Engl Powerball . But even still, if say i did buy the E530 and put it through the effects return in my Randall RH200 would that sound a load better and a bit warmer or about the same as the Randalls Distortion? And would it work into the effects return or just go straight into the main input?