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#1
alright, my mom and i have been arguing over something lately. she says that when you make a list you can put a comma before an and. for example:

potatos, cheese, and crackers.


but i'm pretty sure that you're not supposed to put the comma before the and, like so:

potatos, cheese and crackers.


who is right?


and do you have any sources from maybe college websites that prove it?
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#3
I use the comma.

I find that it's better for describing something.

An example: I'm making a list for a birthday party. I need soda, potato chips, macaroni and cheese, and some cups.

Not a very good example, but it makes me feel more comfortable.
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#4
For the example you gave, you wouldn't have a comma, however, if you were listing music groups for example where an 'and' might be part of a name, you would put the comma before the end.

Example,

Bob Dylan, Elliot Smith and, Simon and Garfunkel

Make sense?
#5
it doesn't matter. both are accepted.
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#7
It's been disputed for a while because it was never really "written in stone" which one was correct. I personally don't put a comma before and, but I see that about just as much as I see the comma before and. So, basically, do whatever you want.
#8
You should have a comma before and.
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For the example you gave, you wouldn't have a comma, however, if you were listing music groups for example where an 'and' might be part of a name, you would put the comma before the end.

Example,

Bob Dylan, Elliot Smith and, Simon and Garfunkel

Make sense?



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#11
I do it and i'm always right.

Yes, yes, and yes.

EDIT: it also adds a pause before you finish it because it sounds rather dumb when saying.... eggs, cheese, milk and ham....in which case it would sounds something like "eggs...cheese...milk and ham..."

Basically i'm right.
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#12
I'd do the comma in that situation.
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#13
I like the comma. It extenuates essays.
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alright, my mom and i have been arguing over something lately. she says that when you make a list you can put a comma before an and. for example:

potatos, cheese, and crackers.


but i'm pretty sure that you're not supposed to put the comma before the and, like so:

potatos, cheese and crackers.


who is right?


and do you have any sources from maybe college websites that prove it?


Use the comma, because in this circumstance, you're using it to separate names. Whereas "potatoes, cheese, and crackers" lists three different foods or dishes, "potatoes, cheese and crackers" lists either two or three, because you could have cheese and crackers as either one combined dish or two separate dishes.

If that didn't make sense, use it because it looks better.

PinkEdit: Wait that's not right, if you were to say that without the comma, it would be "potatoes and cheese and crackers". Of course if your list has three or more items, my edit is irrelevant.
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alright, my mom and i have been arguing over something lately. she says that when you make a list you can put a comma before an and. for example:

potatos, cheese, and crackers.


but i'm pretty sure that you're not supposed to put the comma before the and, like so:

potatos, cheese and crackers.


who is right?


and do you have any sources from maybe college websites that prove it?


You're wrong.
#16
It doesn't really matter if you do or not.
A comma used in that particular case is called an "Oxford Comma"..
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srsly, use the comma.
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#19
Both are accepted. They're slightly different, though, in a way I can't really put to words.
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#20
no comma for me.
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It doesn't really matter if you do or not.
A comma used in that particular case is called an "Oxford Comma"..
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seriously? i was wondering what that ment. wow, it turns out i really dont give a fuck about an oxford comma.
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#21
It really depends on the situation, but in your case, the comma should be there, assuming that "cheese and crackers" are two separate things, and not a plastic wrapped snack.

"Potatoes, cheese, and crackers."

There's no hard and fast rule. The extra comma can either cure the ambiguity of the sentence, or it can add ambiguity.
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#24
No, no comma. It's redundant in all but a few cases.
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#25
Sorry, but I have not read the thread so far. I am afraid to see how many people think that the comma should be left out. Convention calls for the comma to be present before the "and."
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Sorry, but I have not read the thread so far. I am afraid to see how many people think that the comma should be left out. Convention calls for the comma to be present before the "and."

Not necessarily.

Maybe in America you're all taught that, but certainly not here.

Look up "serial comma"
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Not necessarily.

Maybe in America you're all taught that, but certainly not here.

Look up "serial comma"
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One of the questions we are asked frequently is whether a comma should go before the conjunction "and" in a series of three or more items. The answer is yes. Although grammar gurus abandoned that comma rule for a while in the twentieth century, we have since realized that using the serial comma (as it is called) is a good idea for two reasons:
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#28
Hooray. Another tr00 Grammar Nazi.

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#30
You UKers also say "zed" for Z. You guys own the copyrights to the English language and here you are not following its rules.
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#32
It depends on the situation if leaving the comma out is ok (like with names which could include and, and such). But I use the comma personally
#33
The "potatoes, cheese, and crackers" form totally messes with my mind and makes me annoyed. That extra comma transform it into a meshuggah iff, with all its stopp-startness.

"Potatoes, cheese and crackers" simply look cleaner and better.
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The "potatoes, cheese, and crackers" form totally messes with my mind and makes me annoyed. That extra comma transform it into a meshuggah iff, with all its stopp-startness.

"Potatoes, cheese and crackers" simply look cleaner and better.


Yes but that makes it look like cheese and crackers are being called a single item (Which they can be.) But if you want to refer to them as single items a comma is needed.
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It really depends on the situation, but in your case, the comma should be there, assuming that "cheese and crackers" are two separate things, and not a plastic wrapped snack.

"Potatoes, cheese, and crackers."

There's no hard and fast rule. The extra comma can either cure the ambiguity of the sentence, or it can add ambiguity.


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#36
You're right. You just are, you don't need proof from universities, it's what we were all taught since we were five. But, you CAN put a comma before the "and" but only if you're actually pausing before the list's last item.

But still, it's just a list.
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#37
And no one noticed that he didn't use capitals
Also, spell potatoes correctly.
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#38
It's called the Oxford comma, and you place it before and in a list.

It's controversial, because my generation were taught never to put commas before the final conjunction in a list, but there is no fixed rule.

According to wikipedia, it is closer to being acceptable in American English than in British English, despite it's name.
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#39
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I use the comma.

I find that it's better for describing something.

An example: I'm making a list for a birthday party. I need soda, potato chips, macaroni and cheese, and some cups.

Not a very good example, but it makes me feel more comfortable.





but ye i leave the comma out.
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