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#1
It fits into a Bb major scale, but the first note is D and the last note is G.

I thought it might be Bb aeolian but im not sure.

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Last edited by FischmungaXTR at May 7, 2008,
#3
thanks
A metal band?
Gear:
A Guitar with an LFR > Korg Pitchblack > Behringer EQ > Hardwire CM-2 Overdrive Boss SD-1 > Hardwire CR-7 Chorus>
Orange Tiny Terror >
LzR Engineering 212 cab

My other amp can run Crysis
#4
It doesn't matter what the first and last notes are. If the notes "fit into" Bb major, the song is in Bb major (or the relative minor, depending on the tonal center). The song is almost certainly not modal, so calling it aeolian would be incorrect.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#5
To me makes a sound of D phygian
and fingering fits perfectly if you just play a simple box pattern phygian.
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#6
Quote by Ordinary
D phygian


No. The song is almost certainly not modal, and even if it was, calling it phrygian without some sort of harmonic context is ridiculous.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#7
what do you mean ?...it's a phygian scale
Have you at least played it to heaer what it sounds like ?
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#8
Quote by Ordinary
what do you mean ?...it's a phygian scale
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It is almost certainly not a "phrygian scale". Not unless the harmony (which was not given) suggests phrygian. The song is most likely not even modal.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#9
well D phygian works perfectly for me and it's as simple as that.

percieve it anyother way you want.
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#10
Quote by Ordinary
well D phygian works perfectly for me.


What do you mean it "works" for you?
It has the same notes as D phrygian. So what? Calling it phrygian without proper harmonic context is ridiculous and wrong.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#11
have you at least played it and listen to it ?
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#12
Quote by Ordinary
have you at least played it ?


No, and I don't have to. Without harmonic context it can't be called modal, let alone phrygian. I don't have to play it to know that it's not C# harmonic minor, and I don't have to play it to know that it can't be called phrygian without harmonic context.

You don't know what you're talking about, and you need to shut up.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#13
will there you go...
You don't play it , you don't listen to it...
Then you're going to tell me that I CAN'T...when you havn't

it's the Key of Bb look at the key signature
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#14
Quote by Ordinary
will there you go...

you don't play it , you don't listen to it...

when you're going to tell me that I CAN'T...when you havn't


You don't know what modes are, and you don't know what phrygian is. You don't know what you're talking about, and you need to shut up.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#15
Quote by Ordinary
will there you go...
You don't play it , you don't listen to it...
Then you're going to tell me that I CAN'T...when you havn't

You STILL don't get it, do you?

edit:
I suggest you don't get into a theory argument with someone unless you know what you're talking about, bro. Especially if that person knows what he's talking and you simply refuse to accept it.
#16
The original question was answered in the first post, it seems to resolve to Gm and thats the only chord shown (which is at the end of the piece)

Archeo - imo it's not ridiculous/impossible to have a modal melody without harmonic context - harmonic context wasn't even a consideration when modes were developed
#17
what you mean ?

it keeps looping around the root or octive..just bascailly playing
around the first arppegio ....1,b2


you're going to keep arguing with me until to pick up your guitar
and play it to actaully hear it.

It dosn't sound like a mixolian or aerolian that's for sure.
#18
Quote by FischmungaXTR
It fits into a Bb major scale, but the first note is D and the last note is G.

I thought it might be Bb aeolian but im not sure.




Thats straight up G minor there.
#19
You can certainly express modality using pedal tones.

Is this not D Phrygian?

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----7h8-5---7h8-5---
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--5~------5~------5~
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but i agree, i said G minor right away.
#20
Quote by branny1982
You can certainly express modality using pedal tones.

Is this not D Phrygian?

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----7h8-5---7h8-5---
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--5~------5~------5~
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No, its not D phrygian. Its an altered V in G minor. (in the TS's example)
#22
Quote by branny1982
^sorry that was just a quick thing i jotted down to show that you could imply a mode melodicly.
Obviously not a good one!


oh I see, and I agree, you certainly can have unaccompanied modal melodies.
#23
Quote by GuitarMunky
oh I see, and I agree, you certainly can have unaccompanied modal melodies.


+1 - thats what I was saying in response to Archeo who kept saying its ridiculous/impossible for something to be modal w/out harmonic context

(in general that is, as many of us have already said the TS's example is in Gm)
Last edited by Stash Jam at May 7, 2008,
#24
I dunno... try playing a dmin7 under it.


what i wanno know..... is ....why do U even try to harmonize with the Gmin chord
at the end of the part ? The G min chord is not being played until the end.

That last note is the 5th of the Gmin...okay...then what ?
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#25
Quote by Ordinary
I dunno try playing a dmin7 under it.


what i wanno know..... is ....why do even try to harmonize with the Gmin chord
at the end of the part ?


try playing a D7b9 under it. (2nd measure)

Gm- D7alt - Gm...........
#26
thats completely G minor
dont let ordinary tell you otherwise, it even end on gmin chord, look at the key signature, yes it will work over d minor, but it is in the key of G aeolian do not try and argue this
#30
Quote by Ordinary
but when you play that..it dosn't sound like an Aerolian



Quote by mattrsg1
it is in the key of G aeolian do not try and argue this



you guys are using modal terms, but they really aren't appropriate here. Its G minor.

the melody outlines the chords. It starts and ends on a G minor chord. There is a clear cadence at the end: V i in G minor.
Last edited by GuitarMunky at May 7, 2008,
#31
Tell me why it's a Gmin ???

I like hear about this ?

what do you mean ??
the first note is a D
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#32
Quote by Ordinary
Tell me why it's a Gmin ???

I like hear about this ?

Key signature suggests G minor, and the tonal center is G as suggested by the V i motion at the end.

Quote by Ordinary
what do you mean ??
the first note is a D

The tonal center is G.
#34
Quote by Ordinary
The key inature suggest that it's in the key Bb

The relative minor of Bb is G minor, Mozart. The tonal center is G and not Bb, so that lends itself to G minor.
#35
Quote by Ordinary
Tell me why it's a Gmin ???

I like hear about this ?



Clear V i candences, Key signature, Starts and ends on a G minor chord, progression is a typical i V i minor progression

everything indicates G minor. Play it ........ its very obvious.
#36
okay measure 2 and 6 has no G center around

The only time I see a Gmin chord is at the end..lol
Last edited by Ordinary at May 7, 2008,
#37
Quote by Ordinary
okay measure 2 and 6 has no G center around


measure 2 is the V chord... leading to the i in measure 3
#38
Quote by Ordinary
okay measure 2 and 6 has no G center around

That's because it moves and centers on the D motion for a while so it resolves back to G. That's still indicative of G minor.

^GuitarMunky, you have to stop getting in before me every time.
#39
Quote by Ordinary
okay measure 2 and 6 has no G center around
You're not in a position to smile.

And you can imply a mode by note choice if your notes imply a chord progression. For instance, that lick D posted could be considered D Phrygian, though it lacks a third, so it could be D Phrygian Dominant as well. I suppose that doesn't imply a mode, but it implies some kind of scale which is what matters.
#40
Quote by Ordinary
The only time I see a Gmin chord is at the end..lol

Then you've simply ignored measures 1, 3, 5 and 7. Want to go look at those again?
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