#1
I've been thinking there's alot of sick people in the world pedos, rapist, killers so and so forth. My question to the pit is what would be a better way other than death to try and eliminate such people ( or is death the only option?)because lets be honest prison isn't working. Also if you're a good boy you get a good junk of your sentence cut in Britain and we see every day on the news more kidnapings, more deaths.

And crime is always on the rise in most cases, because there's nothing to scare people into not doing these crimes.
#2
Make "life in prison" actually mean, "life in prison".

That should help

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#3
Prison does work, ignore what they tell you on TV.

Prison and education for rapists, killers and convicted sexual offenders in paedophilic crimes, but for paedophilles who have done nothing wrong, free help for them. Paedopillia tends to be unhealthy because many fall in love with children because they like to dominate, which leads to sexual assault.
#4
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I've been thinking there's alot of sick people in the world pedos, rapist, killers so and so forth. My question to the pit is what would be a better way other than death to try and eliminate such people ( or is death the only option?)because lets be honest prison isn't working. Also if you're a good boy you get a good junk of your sentence cut in Britain and we see every day on the news more kidnapings, more deaths.

And crime is always on the rise in most cases, because there's nothing to scare people into not doing these crimes.



I beleive help should be given to these people and not punishments. These people are obviously scared of the legal issues, but usually they are not completly connected, so throwing them in prison forever will not help them.
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#5
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Make "life in prison" actually mean, "life in prison".

That should help

Prison is a rehabilitation as much as a deterrent, the first of the two being far more useful. The only people who deserve life are those who are confirmed the need to be sectioned.

EDIT: Criminals are three times more likely not to recommit if they receive a good education during their prison time.
#6
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I beleive help should be given to these people and not punishments. These people are obviously scared of the legal issues, but usually they are not completly connected, so throwing them in prison forever will not help them.


what do you mean?

What does a pedo do to be counted as a pedo and what is there sentencing usualy i.e. 20 years
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#7
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Prison is a rehabilitation as much as a deterrent, the first of the two being far more useful. The only people who deserve life are those who are confirmed the need to be sectioned.

If you can give rehabilitation to one group, how can y ou deny it to the other group?

Do you mean those who have no hope for rehab? (Just to get where you're going :p

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#8
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what do you mean?

aso whats the usualy crme for pedos and sentencing

Dictionaries and grammar are your friends. I did not get a word of that.
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#9
what they should really do is stop making prison like a shi.tty hotel stay. keep them behind bars all day, that is prison. dont allow them yard time or tv
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#10
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If you can give rehabilitation to one group, how can y ou deny it to the other group?

Do you mean those who have no hope for rehab? (Just to get where you're going :p

It's rehabilitation, not rehab.

Prison acts as a rehabilitation, rather than prisoners be given rehabilitation.
#11
i really don't know. i think people who commit sexual crimes should have a tracker put on them, be castrated, or be killed. all killers should be killed, unless they have a damn good explanation for it. in some states already they're castrating sex offenders or pedos or something.
#12
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what they should really do is stop making prison like a shi.tty hotel stay. keep them behind bars all day, that is prison. dont allow them yard time or tv

Only a minority give them such pleasures. Also, this isn't 1998 any more, we have over-crowded prisons, such pleasures are a rarity.
#13
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what they should really do is stop making prison like a shi.tty hotel stay. keep them behind bars all day, that is prison. dont allow them yard time or tv


Yea just like the middle ages, throw them in a cellar and let them rot...

How about make prisons a place where people can learn and recieve help. All they are now is an inconvenience to people.
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#15
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i really don't know. i think people who commit sexual crimes should have a tracker put on them, be castrated, or be killed. all killers should be killed, unless they have a damn good explanation for it. in some states already they're castrating sex offenders or pedos or something.

This post is full of lose.

'All killers should be killed unless they have a good explanation?' Slippery slope complex. Look it up.

Also, kudos for Meths for this...

A lot of people in the UK think this should be reinstated. Fortunately, Brown is being sensible and rightly ignoring everyone. Good call. For once.

Anyway, list of reasons why the death penalty should not be there.

1)Cost. It's cheaper to lock someone up for 50 years than it is to execute them (this is all based on the US figures). The average amount of time spent on Death Row is about 20 years, so you've got to pay for that much prison in the first place. Most of those 20 years are actually spent in a courtroom and not in a cell. Court's expensive and in no time at all you've already exceeded what it would to lock them up for life. So, in the event that you're a prick who makes decisions about human lives based on cost, you've got no argument.
2)Killing innocent people. Lots of barbarians blow this off with "only if it's 100% certain" or "DNA and forensic evidence mean it can be certain". A)Nothing is ever certain and B)DNA and forensic evidence are never certain. Highly, highly probable, so highly probable as to be pretty much certain, but still not actually certain. It is possible to wrongly convict people on DNA evidence. Especially if the body is found in a fairly advanced state of decomposition. Just look at the samples they found of "Maddie's" blood in her parents' hire car. It was degraded so they much they can't say with ANY certainty that it was her blood. Or even that it was actually blood. And that was what, a few weeks?
The killing of innocent people would be enough to put me off. It's not like the guilty are being let off and allowed to wander about in society, they're still ****ed. But I won't kill some murderers if it means killing some innocent people. Also, related note, people say you should reduce the amount of court time and appeals to reduce the cost enough to make it economically sensible, but that just makes it more likely that they'll kill someone who's innocent.
3)Violation of human rights. Usual stuff. You can call us all liberal nutjobs but I'm not stooping to their level. We don't kill people. It's wrong.
4)Nobody has the right to decide. I hear a lot of **** like "They DESERVE to die", every time I just think "wait, who the **** gave you the authority to make that decision?" You people aren't supreme moral authorities and you cannot tell me they DESERVE to die. Well, you can, but your opinion carries no weight because you're not in a position to make that call.
5)State power. Most pro-CP people are fascists so this usually won't bother them but I for one don't think the state should have the power to kill. It is not a just system of affairs. Everyone has to live in a country whether they like it or not, I didn't sign up to be in a country where the government could kill people. Not gonna happen.
6)Hypocrisy. By killing them you validate their actions. Their problem is that they don't show respect for human life. We shouldn't show them that we don't either. I want to be as little like these people as possible, and if that means taking the moral high ground and behaving like a civilised person, well that's what I'm going to do.
7)Barbaric. This is the 21st century. It is outrageous that people still think it is appropriate to kill people whose actions they disagree with.
8)Jail time is an appropriate alternative. You hear a lot of stuff about how people have a cushy life in prison, but I guarantee you it's bull****. It's all written by people who have never spent time in prison. Ask anyone who's been in prison and see whether they relish the thought of spending 20+ years in there. I don't think they'll like the ide a.

I think there are a couple of others, and I might add them in a later blog. This should be enough to prove my point though...
#18
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what do you mean?

What does a pedo do to be counted as a pedo and what is there sentencing usualy i.e. 20 years

A paedophille is someone who is sexually attracted to children. That is not a crime unless they so something which can some under sexual assault. They can also break the law and be classified as a sex offender if they are caught in possession of child porn.
#19
Well i have never beleived in the death sentence unless you commited something violently wrong i.e murdering inocent people then eating them. However sometimes it does seem just.
#20
In USA the sex offender label is thrown around too much. Lets say you are 18 and have a 15 year old girlfriend. One day her parents get mad at you and turn you in. All of a sudden

statatory rape
ATLEAST 5 years jail time
10 years on the sex offender list.

They have these retarded no tolerance policies for anything involving minors in the states and it really hoses a lot of guys. Seriously an 18 year old should not have his life thrown away because he dated a 15 year old.
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#21
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Well i have never beleived in the death sentence unless you commited something violently wrong i.e murdering inocent people then eating them. However sometimes it does seem just.

You're wrong.

Read the wall of text, the death penalty is pathetic.

Cannibalism has many bad psychological strings attached by the way, so don't jump to conclusions.
#22
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In USA the sex offender label is thrown around too much. Lets say you are 18 and have a 15 year old girlfriend. One day her parents get mad at you and turn you in. All of a sudden

statatory rape
ATLEAST 5 years jail time
10 years on the sex offender list.

They have these retarded no tolerance policies for anything involving minors in the states and it really hoses a lot of guys. Seriously an 18 year old should not have his life thrown away because he dated a 15 year old.


true
#23
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In USA the sex offender label is thrown around too much. Lets say you are 18 and have a 15 year old girlfriend. One day her parents get mad at you and turn you in. All of a sudden

statatory rape
ATLEAST 5 years jail time
10 years on the sex offender list.

They have these retarded no tolerance policies for anything involving minors in the states and it really hoses a lot of guys. Seriously an 18 year old should not have his life thrown away because he dated a 15 year old.

Could not agree more.

The age of consent is 16 in UK and these 'rape' charges RARELY go through. From what I've heard around this forum, UKers lose it earlier too and aren't worse off.
#24
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You're wrong.

Read the wall of text, the death penalty is pathetic.

Cannibalism has many bad psychological strings attached by the way, so don't jump to conclusions.


suppose your right
#25
No law system is going to be perfect but USA has a terrible jail system. WE have the highest amount of people incarcerated out of any country in the world, and we dont even have the largest population. A large percentage of people in jail systems are repeat offenders and that is what leads me to beleive they need to try something radically different.
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#26
the only reason that it is cheaper to not execute someone is because of all the BS you have to go through in court. as long as they've double checked and they know that you're guilty, they should just say "you're ****ed" and kill you. letting a killer live shows a complete disregard for human life.
#27
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the only reason that it is cheaper to not execute someone is because of all the BS you have to go through in court. as long as they've double checked and they know that you're guilty, they should just say "you're ****ed" and kill you. letting a killer live shows a complete disregard for human life.


Killing an innocent person also shows a complete disregard for human life. By all means I support some form of punishment for murderers thoguh.
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#28
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the only reason that it is cheaper to not execute someone is because of all the BS you have to go through in court. as long as they've double checked and they know that you're guilty, they should just say "you're ****ed" and kill you. letting a killer live shows a complete disregard for human life.

Killing someone shows complete disregard for human life.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Read the wall of text on page one before you make arguments.
#29
Dang. I just wrote a paper on the Death Penalty in the U.S. and uhhh my hook was something like this (your last words kinda reminded me of this)

"14 states do not enforce the death penalty; instead they give life in jail, but life if jail doesn't mean your there until you die, it means your there until you escape."


Well, besides this I'm not sure what else we could do ANYWHERE in the world, and being serious with the facts this isn't working to well, when i was researching i found that states that do have the death penalty's crime rate went down by 26% in the last decade but states without it have went down 36% or more.
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#30
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Killing someone shows complete disregard for human life.


Wow. Well what about the killers themselves? They killed, so what should be done to them>
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#31
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Wow. Well what about the killers themselves? They killed, so what should be done to them>

Be sent to Prison. After thoroughly analysis and rehabilitation, they may be released (20-40 years worth).
#32
So prison is the only true way to go bout this then, even if people still commit crimes, i would suggest something like hard labour and by hard i mean what the Japanese did in WW2 whilst bulding the railroads.