#1
so whats the deal?....whats do you actually gain from goin from ltd to esp?....i really like the ec-1000...but whats so much better with the esp name?....and how do these compare to a gibson around the same price range?
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#2
same as epiphone to gibson you basically get a guitar made in USA and the better quality that comes along with that
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#3
ESP are def worth the price tag... overall better value and craftmanship than Gibson
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Quote by BAoxymoron
same as epiphone to gibson you basically get a guitar made in USA and the better quality that comes along with that

except every Ltd I've seen has been better than the comparable epi
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#5
Then if epiphone is to gibson as LTD is to ESP then imagine how good a ESP is
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#6
Only thing is no ESPs are made in USA... Or atleast not to my knowledge, they're all made in Japan, which I really am undecided which is truly better, I really like some Japanese models, but I've only ever played one USA (Dean Razorback) and I liked it a lot... USA is MUCH more expensive though, as usual.
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Quote by BAoxymoron
Then if epiphone is to gibson as LTD is to ESP then imagine how good a ESP is

good point
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#8
i think its like a MIM strat compared to a MIA strat

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Yeh the SICK! bit sounds a bit stupid.

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Quote by edusty2010
Only thing is no ESPs are made in USA... Or atleast not to my knowledge, they're all made in Japan, which I really am undecided which is truly better, I really like some Japanese models, but I've only ever played one USA (Dean Razorback) and I liked it a lot... USA is MUCH more expensive though, as usual.

i'm 95% sure that only ESP custom shops are made in Japan And that standard ESPs are made in USA i do know that the company it self is based out of California and i thought they had a factory there too.
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Quote by BAoxymoron
i'm 95% sure that only ESP custom shops are made in Japan And that standard ESPs are made in USA i do know that the company it self is based out of California and i thought they had a factory there too.


Ok then, like I said I wasn't sure, but I know the custom shop is based in Japan, the standard series tho I have no idea where they're made lol
#11
but what about sound....i dont think you'll notice much sound difference...will you?
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#12
ESP = made in their main Japanese factory, handcrafted, better quality woods and hardware, better attention to detail, better quality control, honestly they are the most amazing guitars I have ever played.

LTD (400 and higher) = made on an assembly line in Korea. Still very good quality and all that, but not quite a real ESP.

LTD (below 400) = made in Indonesia. They are sort of a hit and miss. Some of them are gems for the price, some of them are made of fail (most of the ones that use agathis, for instance).

So basically, the advantage to going with a real ESP is the guarantee that you are getting a VERY high quality instrument that was made by some very experienced builders by hand. It's not as much in the sound as it is in the feel of it. But if you want to save some money by going with an LTD Deluxe (1000 series), go for it. They are still great guitars.
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Quote by mafropetee
ESP = made in their main Japanese factory, handcrafted, better quality woods and hardware, better attention to detail, better quality control, honestly they are the most amazing guitars I have ever played.

LTD (400 and higher) = made on an assembly line in Korea. Still very good quality and all that, but not quite a real ESP.

LTD (below 400) = made in Indonesia. They are sort of a hit and miss. Some of them are gems for the price, some of them are made of fail (most of the ones that use agathis, for instance).

So basically, the advantage to going with a real ESP is the guarantee that you are getting a VERY high quality instrument that was made by some very experienced builders by hand. It's not as much in the sound as it is in the feel of it. But if you want to save some money by going with an LTD Deluxe (1000 series), go for it. They are still great guitars.

good info...thanks
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#14
Get your hands on them though, look at the construction, etc. Sometimes you find one of the "budget model" type guitars (like LTD, or Epi, or Squier) on the higher end of the budget spectrum that's just as good, or better than some of the "name brand" stuff. Because unfortunately, with a lot of the bigger names these days, that extra price tag is sometimes really only buying you the name on the headstock. I know that's not always true, but thats why I say get your hands on the guitars themselves.

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Get your hands on them though, look at the construction, etc. Sometimes you find one of the "budget model" type guitars (like LTD, or Epi, or Squier) on the higher end of the budget spectrum that's just as good, or better than some of the "name brand" stuff. Because unfortunately, with a lot of the bigger names these days, that extra price tag is sometimes really only buying you the name on the headstock. I know that's not always true, but thats why I say get your hands on the guitars themselves.


While that's generally true with stuff like the Epiphone Elitist line, I've never played an LTD that could match up to a real ESP. And I've played just about every LTD Deluxe and ESP available in the states, and a few ESP Custom Shops which just plain blew everything else out of the water.
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