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#1
I would like to start a thread devoted to Dispelling
musical myths that people tend to view as the gospel..
I bet Charlie Brown's teacher's name was Mrs.Hammett
#2
The first chord of a song is not always the key of the song

The key of the song does not have to be the first chord played.
The first chord of the song can be any chord in the progression...
I bet Charlie Brown's teacher's name was Mrs.Hammett
#4
Busted
My name is Andy
Quote by MudMartin
Only looking at music as math and theory, is like only looking at the love of your life as flesh and bone.

Swinging to the rhythm of the New World Order,
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums
#6
Quote by theshroomman
you NEED to know theory to make music.

that could be bias on my part tho


you don't need theory, but people who think it doesn't help at all and is a waste of time are ignorant
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EPIC LOLZ FROM THE LEFTY!!!!!!


Quote by death.prog
Ugh...

When I brought up this page, so much fail dumped out of my computer screen and all over my hands, severely damaging my ability as a musician.
#7
Quote by Lefty7Stringer
you don't need theory, but people who think it doesn't help at all and is a waste of time are ignorant

true that. but i hear alot of ppl say if you dont know theory youre ****. only ever online tho.. lol
#9
Since you said musical not just guitar. One I hate is that people don't realize there is actual technique, and theory to playing drums, it's not just hitting random stuff!
#10
Quote by :-D
Going along with what Lefty7Stringer said, I'd like to dispel this myth:

Learning/knowing music theory limits your creativity.


I hate that. If any thing it helps.

Quote by TNA
Since you said musical not just guitar. One I hate is that people don't realize there is actual technique, and theory to playing drums, it's not just hitting random stuff!


yes! A.P. music theory ftw
Quote by pwninator123
EPIC LOLZ FROM THE LEFTY!!!!!!


Quote by death.prog
Ugh...

When I brought up this page, so much fail dumped out of my computer screen and all over my hands, severely damaging my ability as a musician.
#11
Quote by Lefty7Stringer
I hate that. If any thing it helps.

It's not even a matter of "if anything" as far as I'm concerned; IMO it can only help. Unless you're just running straight up and down scales, of course.
#13
Thinking theory is something other than a convenient way of describing music in terms people understand. Theory doesn't tell you how to play something, it tells you how to describe it, which is quite different.

You don't need to know red is called red in order to be a painter, but it is a whole lot easier to say red than to have to point to a picture of something red every time you need to refer to it. If you learn the name for a color, you aren't using the color because someone told you the name of it, you just happen to know how to refer to the color in a conventional way people understand. The same is true for something like the Lydian mode, you don't need to know it is called Lydian to use it, but it is a lot easier to say Lydian mode in order to express the concept.
#14
"You can break the rules of theory"

You can't. Theory isn't a set of rules, theory just describes music.

If you put a D# in a solo over a Gmajor chord progression no theory police is going to come and arest you for breaking the rules of theory.

Because there are no rules of theory.

So it is impossible to break them.

Because you can only break rules when there are rules to be broken.

But there are no rules to be broken.

Because there are no rules in theory.

I think the point has been made.
#15
Quote by :-D
Learning/knowing music theory limits your creativity.

Whenever I see that one I rage so hard.
#16
You don't need perfect/absolute pitch to succeed in music.

Joe Satriani doesn't have it, and there's no evidence that Jimi Hendrix had it either.
#17
Quote by VIRUSDETECTED
Branch out and learn the Major Scale first, THEN learn the Pentatonic.
I disagree. You should learn the minor pentatonic first, even if not the theory behind it, first so you can show off to your friends and do the "look at me!" thing and have some fun (that is if you play rock, which most of us do). I don't care what you say, we all love that.

THEN you should learn the major scale and get into some theory, but I would prefer to have some fun little pentatonic licks to show off with.
#18
Yngwie Malmsteen is not Neo-Classical. Stravinsky is Neo-Classical.
Call me Batman.
#19
There seems to be this myth that there are actually players better than me.
Pfft, yeah right, like that's true...
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This thread is officially about sucking Sleaze off for a sig.


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Hey Sleaze I'll give you a blowjob if you sig me. Maybe even some nudey photos?


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Sleaze, that made me lulz in my pants.


Quote by 36mikeyb36
hahaha Sleaze i'd give you my mom for that one.
#22
Quote by J.A.M
Yngwie Malmsteen is not Neo-Classical. Stravinsky is Neo-Classical.


While Stravinsky was certainly s neoclassicalist composer, I see no reason why Malmsteen should not be.
My name is Tom, feel free to use it.
#23
Quote by Washburnd Fretz
I would like to start a thread devoted to Dispelling
musical myths that people tend to view as the gospel..


Myths commonly spread here at UG:


modes are not scales/ scales are not modes

one cannot be a good musician without knowing theory

you should not learn box shapes/patterns on the fretboard

if you want to know about modes you should ask Bangoodcharlote or Archeo Avis 1st as they are the authority on the subject, and in general know more than anyone else here about music theory.

touching the guitar at all with your picking hand is anchoring

your doing yourself a "disservice" by learning the 5 standard scale patterns
(only the 3 nps versions are useful)

all answers to your questions can be found in the MT theory sticky

The Ionian scale is not the same thing as the Major scale.
Last edited by GuitarMunky at May 11, 2008,
#24
Quote by GuitarMunky
if you want to know about modes you should ask Bangoodcharlote or Archeo Avis 1st as they are the authority on the subject, and in general know more than anyone else here about music theory.
Maybe you don't get how the thread works, but you're supposed to state something that is incorrect, not offer knowledge that is correct but contrary to common belief.

This thread is going to go to hell in 5 posts. Anyone want to bet the over?
#25
Guitar does not help you get chicks.

Guitar helps you get money, which attracts chicks.

You think their fapping cos you can **** around with a plank of wood?

Get real.
#27
Quote by bangoodcharlote
Maybe you don't get how the thread works, but you're supposed to state something that is incorrect


I know, thats exactly what I did.
#29
Quote by bangoodcharlote
Then you should probably edit your post to reflect what I just told you.


No editing is necessary.
#30
Quote by bangoodcharlote
Maybe you don't get how the thread works, but you're supposed to state something that is incorrect, not offer knowledge that is correct but contrary to common belief.

This thread is going to go to hell in 5 posts. Anyone want to bet the over?


Boy, someone has sand in their vagina today...
Quote by SteveHouse
This thread is officially about sucking Sleaze off for a sig.


Quote by tayroar
Hey Sleaze I'll give you a blowjob if you sig me. Maybe even some nudey photos?


Quote by crazy8rgood


Sleaze, that made me lulz in my pants.


Quote by 36mikeyb36
hahaha Sleaze i'd give you my mom for that one.
#32
Quote by 5/4
There is a differance between E# and F.
In function, yes. In sound, no.

Quote by Sleaze Disease
Boy, someone has sand in their vagina today...
You're aware that you don't use expressions like that with girls, especially older girl, right?
#33
Quote by bangoodcharlote



You're aware that you don't use expressions like that with girls, especially older girl, right?


Yes, I'm aware of how politically correct people think, but I don't care.
I don't put girls up on a pedestal.
I say what I want, to whomever I want, when I want.
Quote by SteveHouse
This thread is officially about sucking Sleaze off for a sig.


Quote by tayroar
Hey Sleaze I'll give you a blowjob if you sig me. Maybe even some nudey photos?


Quote by crazy8rgood


Sleaze, that made me lulz in my pants.


Quote by 36mikeyb36
hahaha Sleaze i'd give you my mom for that one.
#34
Quote by VIRUSDETECTED
All rock music uses the Pentatonic Scale.


It doesn't. Branch out and learn the Major Scale first, THEN learn the Pentatonic.

Pentatonic scales can be any scale limited to 5 notes. This is all over the fretboard. Then of course there is pentatonic scale boxes.
#35
Quote by bangoodcharlote
In function, yes. In sound, no.

Correct.
A C chord is only CEG. NOT C Fb G or C Gbbb G.
#36
Quote by Sleaze Disease
Yes, I'm aware of how politically correct people think, but I don't care.
I don't put girls up on a pedestal.
I say what I want, to whomever I want, when I want.


Oh, applause. Quoting Eminem makes you so hardcore. I bet BGC is so overtaken by your rugged machismo that all the sand will instantly fall out of her vagina in a wave of arousal. Actually, speaking of BGC;

This thread is going to go to hell in 5 posts. Anyone want to bet the over?


Glad I didn't take that bet.


I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to attempt to 'debunk' a musical 'myth', so I won't even make a vague gesture towards being on-topic.
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#37
"You can play the notes C D E F G A B over an Am chord and call it the C major scale"
TRUE

you can call it whatever you want as long as you understand the way you use the two together to sound good, which is very doable.
its about music sounding good NOT scaring yourself into thinking theres nothing in common between the two brother and sister scales (major and minor) and

"avoiding PLYING Am over Cmaj at all costs!!"
BAD ADVICE

do it
#38
Quote by patfarlow
"You can play the notes C D E F G A B over an Am chord and call it the C major scale"
TRUE

Yes, you can call it the C major scale in that instance but you'd be wrong. You could call it an Eb half-diminished seventh chord as well, but that doesn't make it right.

I'm not starting this again though.
#39
"You could call it an Eb half-diminished seventh chord as well"

bad analogy
no you could not call c d e f g a b
no sharps no flats

a Ebhalf diminished chord

bhalf dim
yea
#40
Quote by Sleaze Disease
There seems to be this myth that there are actually players better than me.
Pfft, yeah right, like that's true...


there are, his name was kurt cobain and he pwns you

how about this one for dispelling :

in medivel times the church forbade the b5.

there is no substantiated proof to this, no records of anyone ever being killed over it and no written/recorded history of any musical type requirements for composers.

edit: pat, you fail. you fail the more you try. you try to fail and succeed. so be proud you succeed at something. please stop, go away that is a myth, it is not true. as cap'n smiley said you CAN call it that. i also COULD go rob a liquor store, i COULD bang 12 prostitutes, i COULD drive a stationwagon. but they'd all be wrong, so terribly terribly wrong.
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