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#1
IMO I think he is definitely overrated. People act as if he created tapping/shred. When actually he didn't create tapping and he doesn't even shred at all. People act as if he is the most amazing thing to happen to guitar. For this I think he is overrated.
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#4
um he did invent tapping and he does shred.

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#5
Whether he technically invented tapping or not is doubtful but there's no denying he was the first to streamline the technique and bring it to the public eye if you will. And though he doesn't shred he was playing quicker than most at the time he came out. Also don't forget his tone which is just incredible.
#8
EVH SHREADS!!! :P

he's awesome at what he does and i love his tone, my only bone to pick with him is alot of his stuff sounds the same.
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Whether he technically invented tapping or not is doubtful but there's no denying he was the first to streamline the technique and bring it to the public eye if you will. And though he doesn't shred he was playing quicker than most at the time he came out. Also don't forget his tone which is just incredible.
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#10
Not really. When he is considered a "Guitar God" I think that's a bit much, but he did pave the way for most modern rock/metal music. Without Halen, someone else probably would have come along, but I think he plays an important part in modern guitarists techniques. A lot of young (Now famous) shredders looked at some of his solos and thought, "Holy shit I want to play like that" and now they have become what they have become.

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#11
this thread is still open? lasted longer than i thought it would
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#12
he is a god
hes just as inovative as jimi hndrix
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#14
None of his stuff really speaks to me except this one solo I found on youtube, which absolutely blew me away.
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He did NOT invent tapping. The first electric guitar player to tap was the guitarist from Genesis, and he took if from classical guitar players.



i heard it was EVH. him and alex went to see zepplin and they played "heartbreaker" and that is where ed go the idea....


not only that but his tone... and his hermonics are great.
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#16
I think hes the great, not because he used tapping techinique, but rather because of his great tone. He didnt invent tapping, but the ability he has to change between tapping and picking pieces without lossing tone is awesome. Likewise his ability to restrain himself when neccesary for the sake of the song is more than commendable
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#17
People need to shut the F'up with threads like this, NO ONE GIVES A **** of what you think or your opionions of others, keep it to yourself NYGaintsFanFTW.
#19
Yes.

so are

hendrix
clapton
santana
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and a million others

doesn't mean they're bad guitarists, but none of them are even close to being "the best" as they're so often labeled
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#20
i really dislike EVH. he was cool for a little bit, but then he had songs like Jump and then i was like WTF!? also he is a good player but he is very bland. there were many better guitarists during that time IMO
#22
Eddie Van Halen has his own unique style and he is frickin' awesome, but sometimes it annoys me. For instance, his solo in Jump is kind of meh, but the fact that he uses major chords and stuff in such a heavy manner in many songs appeals to me. His songwriting is also quite awesome, as is his more inventive stuff such as in Mean Street. His tone is also quite godlike in my opinion.

In a nutshell I personally like him a lot, but he is starting to seem overrated in my eyes. Eruption does not have the same appeal in my eyes as it used to, but I appreciate Van Halen's other songs more than ever. He is also not the most technically gifted by a long shot. He did not invent tapping, but he definitely was the first to use it so heavily and as such a dedicated technique, and his playing style was revolutionary.

And that's all I have to say about that. 1984 was the first real album I bought, and it still stands as absolutely incredible in my book.
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#23
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Yes.

so are

hendrix
clapton
santana
page
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and a million others

doesn't mean they're bad guitarists, but none of them are even close to being "the best" as they're so often labeled

true, but what other false idols are we suppost to hold dear? if i said, "Per-Olav Kindgren rocks!" who would back me on that, furthermore who would know who im talking about?

(he's a classical player and has 152 vids on youtube. check him out hes awesome)
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true, but what other false idols are we suppost to hold dear? if i said, "Per-Olav Kindgren rocks!" who would back me on that, furthermore who would know who im talking about?

(he's a classical player and has 152 vids on youtube. check him out hes awesome)

i do understand what your saying but this worshiping of certain guitarists is just so over the top

for example im a huge fan of luke hoskin and tim millar from protest the hero, theyve written some amazing songs that i absolutly love, but as good as they are, i know they're just great guitarists nothing more nothing less.

Jason Becker, the guy was fantastic and what happened to him was tragic ... i honestly think that if he'd been able to come of age with his playing the guitar world probably wouldnt talk about malmsteen, vai, gilbert (and i do love paul gilbert) the way they do now, but either way he still wasn't "a god" he was just a great guitarist, he still had his flaws in his playing and he struggled just like anyone else did.

I don't think ill ever be able to grasp why people feel the need to say things that bascally just mean

"oh this guy played guitar for this band, therefore he's better than everyone at his chosen instrument."
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#25
i get you tommyt. worshiping a guitar player is foolish, but imulation its the least harmful foolish thing one can do (im guilty of this from time to time)

worship any footballers? know someone who does?

+ enthusiasm is hard to come by after a certain age for many, let the baby have its bottle and you could have teat of rightiousness (and tell me what its like when you're done) hahaha
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#26
i think this belongs in the pit.


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#29
^so it's safe now?

I grew up listening to Eddie. If he's a bit over-rated there is probably a reason. He's crossed thru many generations of listeners. Sure there are others but this thread is about Eddie.

EDIT: +1 to ZZtop comment because i think there is more truth there, and i was also referring to a GuitarWorld interview with Eddie. *goes to find mag*

I read that he did not get the ideal from Heartbreaker. He had studied classical music growing up and there plenty of tapping there. And I don't know if you consider Mean Street and AFU (latter off OU812) shredding but he def laid ground work for it.

last note: i saw Eddie recently live and OMG. blew me away. better than the old days when i saw him. he's sober now and it shows. just freakin awesome. even if you don't like Van Halen i would go to a show if you can and see for yourself what i'm talking about.

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#30
He did not invent tapping

It was an exercise of his and then his producer or someone heard it and said "You should turn that into a song"
He even said it's just an exercise.
But then he got a giant ego out of it.

He makes me want to punch babies in the face.
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#31
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um he did invent tapping and he does shred.

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#32
[quote="'Anno[fzk"]']He did not invent tapping

It was an exercise of his and then his producer or someone heard it and said "You turn that into a song"
He even said it's just an exercise.
But then he got a giant ego out of it.

He makes me want to punch babies in the face.
what you're describing is the song 'eruption' rather than tapping itself.
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#33
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Yes.

so are

hendrix
clapton
santana
page
slash

and a million others

doesn't mean they're bad guitarists, but none of them are even close to being "the best" as they're so often labeled


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#34
It's like my guitar teacher said. "He started the whole tapping thing, but he hasn't done anything ground breaking since."
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#35
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i heard it was EVH. him and alex went to see zepplin and they played "heartbreaker" and that is where ed go the idea....


not only that but his tone... and his hermonics are great.



OK. I stand corrected. In GuitarWorld April 2008 (page 56) he is quoted as saying, "I think I got the idea for tapping watching Jimmy Page do his 'heartbreaker' solo back in 1971, he was doing a pull-off to an open string" - and then Eddie recalls how he used his left fret finger as the nut (like a capio) and took it from there.

Fair enough, but i know there were other interviews where he said something different. At least in April of 2008 he was sober so i gotta go with that.

Additionally, in GW March 2007 on page 72 in an article titled "The Pursuit of Tappiness" - it references the first string tapping being done by Niccoclo Paganini in the early 1800's and Randy Resnick in the '60's with the electric guitar. Additionally, Frank Zappa was doing tapping before EVH. Randy Rhoads 'discovered' rock guitar tapping about the same time that Eddie was incorporating it but never got a ton of credit for it.

lastly, i don't see EVH as being vain about it, he actually says in one of these interviews that he was somewhat embarrased that he was getting all of the credit for 'inventing tapping' and used to turn his back to audiance when he first started doing it because he didn't want anybody to see it. (maybe somewhat vain there).

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#37
he is definitely an innovative and skilled guitarist
there is no denying that

when it comes to how good he is?
There are plenty of people good at shredding and playing guitar
He has made countless hits and his eruption solo is positively in the top 10 even though it is just his warm up exercise

So..

Yes he is GOoD
He isn't the best but he is really influential and amazing
#38
Oh hell, he's good, but not that GREAT. kind of boring player actually.
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#39
I think he is very overrated. Everyone says that he paved the road for metal and he was the first of his kind. If you know anything about the history of metal you'd know that Eddie and Randy Rhoads grew up in the same town at the same time and had very similar influences. A lot of people say that all Randy did was copy him, as a matter of fact I've heard many things that Eddie did to copy Randy. Randy had his little toggle switch thing where it cuts in and out and a few years later Eddie started doing that. Randy did use tapping but he admits that he got that from Eddie and didn't like to do it much for that reason. The first time they met Eddie insulted him and said that he sounds like everyone esle and is nothing special.
Anyone that think that they are amazing or a god SUCKS at guitar. You can be a god or amazing but the second you say that you are blows it all. I'm not saying that you can't say you're good but if you think of yourseld as a god that's just wrong. That's how Eddie thinks of himself.

So anyways, Van Halen's first album came out 1978, Quiet Riot's (Randy's first band) first album came out also in 1978 but was only released in Japan. After he quit QR he joined up with Ozzy and became guitar player of the year in 1981. He died early 1982 so he never got that big. If he was still around and Eddie had died Randy would be considered the godfather of shredding metal. In my opinion he is, and Eddie's technique isn't that hard.
To play Eddie's stuff is easy but to write it is hard. On the other hand to play Randy's is hard but to write it is even harder, plus it's melodic unlike most of Eddie's.


So after all this I'd say he is highly overrated in my opinion.
#40
uuuummmm.....

no disrespect to Randy whatsoever, but Eddie does more than just tap. he has some pretty wicked stuff going on in 'Fair Warning' album (my favorite) as well as later stuff off F.U.C.Knowledge and even 5150 for that matter.. Blues, tap, harmonics, rhythm, crunch.

again, it would be amazing to think what Randy could have accomplished if he had lived on.

additionally, my point was that Eddie has been pretty f'd up mentally and chemically for many years and i'm hoping he can stay sober and maybe even put out something new. i think he is a different man now based on what i have seen and read.

also, i don't consider EVH stuff to be un-melodic but that's what we are here for right. have a discusson on opinions so.....props up for your opinion.

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