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#1
i cant afford the 800. i play mostly classic rock/hendrix/zeppelin and want a dam marshall half stack. im buying used so these two heads are almost identical in price. which one is better for the rock/hendrix/zeppelin vibe? and yes i know these two heads are more modern sounding. Im also not a high gain fan i like using pedals from just the clean channel unless im using straight over drive.
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Quote by Russian1
i cant afford the 800. i play mostly classic rock/hendrix/zeppelin and want a dam marshall half stack. im buying used so these two heads are almost identical in price. which one is better for the rock/hendrix/zeppelin vibe? and yes i know these two heads are more modern sounding. Im also not a high gain fan i like using pedals from just the clean channel unless im using straight over drive.


oh dear


to answer your question: 900.

right. thats that over with

first off, *facepalm* for wanting a halfstack. i bet you a vietnamese orphan that you dont need one, and itd be a waste of money

second: *double facepalm* for being lured in by the big 'iconic' name.

well done for wanting a tube one, we have so many MG owners because of that

if youre playing in your room/moms basement/small club even, you only need a tube combo. bigger venues willl have PA anyway. the only people who need halfstacks are stadium rockstars who need to make their **** big again because its shrivelled from all the drugs

whats your budget? where are you? then you can get MUCH more for your cash
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#6
^ lmao idk i just love the look of a half stack i know ill probably never use it to full potential, which is why the Traynor YCV 50 blue is my backup option. i just want a good rock/blues sound out of an amp and there are only 3 clips of the traynor blue on youtube but everyone seems to love them, and the color is sexy
#7
if youre hearts set, go for the 900.

or have a look around. marshall arent the be all and end all, theres a few awesome heads out there if you look
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#11
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#12
if you can live without cleans and want some dick increasing qualities, go for the peavey windsor half stack.

if you want a jcm, get the combo used off ebay.
#13
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo


if youre playing in your room/moms basement/small club even, you only need a tube combo. bigger venues willl have PA anyway. the only people who need halfstacks are stadium rockstars who need to make their **** big again because its shrivelled from all the drugs


I don't know if i agree with that. A half-stack with a closed back 4x12 gives you so much more thickness and bottom end. I think for the blues thing an open back would work, but I find for what I play I do need a half-stack, regardless of where I play.


Anyway - my vote goes for the 900.
#14
no i cant live without cleans. i use fuzz pedals and a tube screamer over my fender blues junior. i usually only use pedals on the clean channel so the amp would need amazing cleans
#15
What are you doing with the blues junior? If you're handy, you can gut it, and use the old transformer and speaker, and build yourself a Marshall 18w clone. They're sweet, my and a friend built one for him this year. You can find kits and instructions online.
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Quote by Russian1
no i cant live without cleans. i use fuzz pedals and a tube screamer over my fender blues junior. i usually only use pedals on the clean channel so the amp would need amazing cleans


D=

you have a decent amp allready?!!?

peavey classic 30/VK/windsor head then
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#18
stevo i agree with you the blues junior is amazing. but when you have to put the volume on the highest just to get over the drummer it does not make for fun times because a blues junior at high volume is breakup and bad tone x30
#19
Quote by Russian1
stevo i agree with you the blues junior is amazing. but when you have to put the volume on the highest just to get over the drummer it does not make for fun times because a blues junior at high volume is breakup and bad tone x30


progress ftw!

i think the windsor is a fair bit wattage, and the VK is 100W and well within budget
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#20
what about the traynor ycv 50 for a combo? i heard it does a marshall better than marshall
#21
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
oh dear


to answer your question: 900.

right. thats that over with

first off, *facepalm* for wanting a halfstack. i bet you a vietnamese orphan that you dont need one, and itd be a waste of money

second: *double facepalm* for being lured in by the big 'iconic' name.

well done for wanting a tube one, we have so many MG owners because of that

if youre playing in your room/moms basement/small club even, you only need a tube combo. bigger venues willl have PA anyway. the only people who need halfstacks are stadium rockstars who need to make their **** big again because its shrivelled from all the drugs

whats your budget? where are you? then you can get MUCH more for your cash
Need? I always hear people crying about what other people need and don't need. Halfstacks only for stadiums? Bahahahaha. You can play a stadium with a Sansamp pedal into the P.A.
It's not a matter of need, it's a matter want. I want a halfstack, so I buy a halfstack. I'm not going to be a nancy boy and think "Do I really need a halfstack?" That's lame.
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Quote by Van Noord
Need? I always hear people crying about what other people need and don't need. Halfstacks only for stadiums? Bahahahaha. You can play a stadium with a Sansamp pedal into the P.A.
It's not a matter of need, it's a matter want. I want a halfstack, so I buy a halfstack. I'm not going to be a nancy boy and think "Do I really need a halfstack?" That's lame.


so he wants a halfstack BUT if he's never going to turn it past 4 he might as well get the combo version, save some $$$ and be able to crank it
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#23
Quote by Van Noord
Need? I always hear people crying about what other people need and don't need. Halfstacks only for stadiums? Bahahahaha. You can play a stadium with a Sansamp pedal into the P.A.
It's not a matter of need, it's a matter want. I want a halfstack, so I buy a halfstack. I'm not going to be a nancy boy and think "Do I really need a halfstack?" That's lame.


THats all fine and good when you can afford mesas and what not, but when your comprimising on tone quality because you want a halfstack you go for a VK over a nice combo theres a problem.

TS, traynors are deffinately worth a look, cant say ive tried em, but they get rave reviews.
#24
I see what you guys are saying, and the point of choosing a low quality halfstack over a higher quality combo is a valid one. I dig some combos, they can sound great. Especially a nice open backed one.

As for volume, just because you have more speakers it doesn't make the amp louder. 100 watts is 100 watts no matter the # of speakers. with 4x12's it's all about sound projection. Also a 50 or 60 watt combo is just as loud as a 100 watt combo or head. The difference between 100 and 50 watts is only 3 db's. Which is very hard for the human ear to distiguish.

Another argument is poweramp saturation. This is far more noticable with lower wattage amps between 5 - 40 watts.

In the end, the choice of what size/wattage of an amp is up to the individual player.
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#25
I prefer my jcm900 combo over my mates TSL100 half stack.

But then again, mine's an early model with EL34s. If you want to get as close to the JCM800 go for one of those if you can.
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#26
Quote by Van Noord
I see what you guys are saying, and the point of choosing a low quality halfstack over a higher quality combo is a valid one. I dig some combos, they can sound great. Especially a nice open backed one.

As for volume, just because you have more speakers it doesn't make the amp louder. 100 watts is 100 watts no matter the # of speakers. with 4x12's it's all about sound projection. Also a 50 or 60 watt combo is just as loud as a 100 watt combo or head. The difference between 100 and 50 watts is only 3 db's. Which is very hard for the human ear to distiguish.

Another argument is poweramp saturation. This is far more noticable with lower wattage amps between 5 - 40 watts.

In the end, the choice of what size/wattage of an amp is up to the individual player.


3db is twice the volume
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#27
Don't buy a JCM900 for those kinds of music.

get like a plexi or something a Great choice would be a ceriatone plexi

EDIT: btw nice to see you Russian I haven't seen you since we were arguing with those guys in the pit that one time
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#28
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
3db is twice the volume


twice the power, not heard as twice as loud.
#29
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
3db is twice the volume

No, it's twice the wattage in amps
#31
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twice the power, not heard as twice as loud.
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#32
hmmm well im gonna sell my blues junior and put the money towards the half stack. i found some 1960 cabs on ebay for 300 to 400$
#33
Quote by Russian1
what about the traynor ycv 50 for a combo? i heard it does a marshall better than most modern marshalls

Fixed
#34
Quote by Horlicks
No, it's twice the wattage in amps


dont me get all AS physics on your ass
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#35
So you want amazing clean sound and to use some pedals and you want a JCM 900......

something very wrong with this picture.................


how about one of those nice big fenders????
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#36
Quote by plbrynt
So you want amazing clean sound and to use some pedals and you want a JCM 900......

something very wrong with this picture.................


how about one of those nice big fenders????

JCM900's do have great cleans
#37
Quote by Horlicks
JCM900's do have great cleans


+1

what about a ceriatone plexi or JCM 800 2 channel from ceriatone?
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#38
Quote by Russian1
hmmm well im gonna sell my blues junior and put the money towards the half stack. i found some 1960 cabs on ebay for 300 to 400$


Or!

Spend all money on an Orange Rocker 30 combo!

Believe me, you want this. A JCM900 for Led Zep, Hendrix and stuff, nto a good idea (I tried and believe me, it doesn't work, I've tried). The Rocker 30 is AWESOME for that music (just listen to the clip in my profile!). Secondly it has a GREAT clean channel, which is like CLEAN CLEAN oh and CLEAN! It's got PLENTY of power, mushc more than say a Blues Jr. It beats our other guitarists 50 watt Laney TT50 halfstack, so yeah it's enough for you.
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#39
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
oh dear


to answer your question: 900.

right. thats that over with

first off, *facepalm* for wanting a halfstack. i bet you a vietnamese orphan that you dont need one, and itd be a waste of money

second: *double facepalm* for being lured in by the big 'iconic' name.

well done for wanting a tube one, we have so many MG owners because of that

if youre playing in your room/moms basement/small club even, you only need a tube combo. bigger venues willl have PA anyway. the only people who need halfstacks are stadium rockstars who need to make their **** big again because its shrivelled from all the drugs

whats your budget? where are you? then you can get MUCH more for your cash



idk why people rip on halfstacks so much, if the kid wants a stack let him get a stack! someday he might wanna take it outside and crank, if he has the money then good for him!
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#40
Why have you just bumped a thread that has been dead for a month?

People as you say "rip" on halfstacks because more often than not the person they are recommending to has a certain amount of money he or she can spend. Now generally when said person is on a budget they will get a better quality of amplifier by going for a combo because generally good combos are cheaper than good halfstacks or the equivilant half stack to said combo. When you have the money to spend on a quality halfstack, by all means go for it. However spending a large sum of money on a poor quality half stack rather than an excellent combo for the same price isn't exactly the most logical choice is it.
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