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#1
WOW. I have heard he was the best shredder there is and I have seen tons of his videos, and even am trying to learn "No Boundaries." But I must say I have never seen anyone play this good. i mean sure someone out there could possibly by the grace of god be as fast, or faster (probably not though) but I mean you can't find someone who can play with the finesse of him. he is great. But recently I have been really looking for the best guitar solos ever and I am sure he has some awesome shred solos! Anyone out there know what songs by either him, or back when he was in Nitro have the fastest solos? II'd appreciate it. And does anyone know where you can learn arpeggios? I am trying to learn them so sweeping can become a technique in my repetoire. And anyone know what kind of Randalls he used? thanks.
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#3
Every video I've seen of him, I honestly can't take the guy seriously, sure, he's good and all, but him and Yngwie....I just CANNOT take them seriously..... I laugh everytime I see them....
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#5
Good at playing guitar, terrible attitude. Guy's good, but he's a douche.
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#7
hows he a bad musician? he plays guitar and learnt all his music theory and makes good music...what else does he need to be a musician?

and how is he a douche???

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#8
Hehe...ur a nub...but thats good, thats how you get into shred stuff. Glad you like it! And there ARE faster, cleaner guitarists out there.
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Batio is a r'tard...
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To metallicafan616: There's a thing called wanking, which he does in excess. Basically, it's playing random stuff that does sound alright because it's correct theory, but that's all it is. He's not playing with any sort of emotion, just knowledge. And have you ever seen him talk? He's incredibly cocky and generally not very nice. This=douche.
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To metallicafan616: There's a thing called wanking, which he does in excess. Basically, it's playing random stuff that does sound alright because it's correct theory, but that's all it is. He's not playing with any sort of emotion, just knowledge. And have you ever seen him talk? He's incredibly cocky and generally not very nice. This=douche.


And he talks like hes on coke half the time..... the rest he just sounds stupid....


"Im gonna play this ****ing 16th note shred in the a-major scale, but then arpeggate it near the end, and finish off by playing steady 128th notes, and then make your head explode....then im gonna go do some more lines in the back."
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#13
well.....he does do that but have you heard his music with emotion? try peace or dream on.

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People like Michael Angelo Batio make me feel ****ing sick!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hehe...ur a nub...but thats good, thats how you get into shred stuff. Glad you like it! And there ARE faster, cleaner guitarists out there.


To be honest I'm not sure there are cleaner shredders out there; faster maybe but probably not cleaner.

To be honest I can't enjoy his music. I really enjoy shred in most forms, I love Malmsteen, Satch, Vai, Govan, Lane and all those guys but MAB just really annoys me for some reason.

To all those who say he's a douche though i think you're being a little unfair; I'm sure he's a nice person if you know him personally.
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dont batio's hair look like the hair on lego men? its like a german WWII helmet covered in fur.
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To metallicafan616: There's a thing called wanking, which he does in excess. Basically, it's playing random stuff that does sound alright because it's correct theory, but that's all it is. He's not playing with any sort of emotion, just knowledge. And have you ever seen him talk? He's incredibly cocky and generally not very nice. This=douche.


if that's wanking what have i been doing for the past few years?!
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i usedto like him and borrowed all of his albums an copied them so i could keep them but after a while i realised that although he couldplay fast i soon go very boring. plus he is a complete douche
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Metallica fan, dont worry. Half he forum is actually jealous they can't play nowhere close to him. Batio is not the fastest, but he is the cleanest. And I have heard his emotional songs, and he is one of the guitar players that puts most emotion into his music. Then again, most of the people here are jealous cause they are nowhere near that skill. He is also a really nice guy.
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To metallicafan616: There's a thing called wanking, which he does in excess. Basically, it's playing random stuff that does sound alright because it's correct theory, but that's all it is. He's not playing with any sort of emotion, just knowledge. And have you ever seen him talk? He's incredibly cocky and generally not very nice. This=douche.

I'm gonna have to start saving copies of my rants on this to copy&paste every time some ignorant twat says this.

no emotion you say? could you please define what this 'playing with emotion' is? is it some tangible concept that can be objectively measured? no I don't think it is.

Can you say that a sound wave contains emotion? It's my opinion that, no, they can't. a sound wave may evoke an emotion in you but that's not the same thing. The emotion is evoked in YOU meaning it is YOUR emotion and YOUR reaction to the sound. Therefore your whole argument is null and void right there because even if it was possible for a person to play 'without emotion' it wouldn't matter because at the end of the day it's only ever your reaction to the sound that you experience, not what they have put in to it.

On to my next point. how is it at all possible to play without emotion? even boredom is an emotion. And although the person's emotion MAY slightly affect his performance (not usually once you get to this level of playing) it's almost impossible to tell the difference between 2 takes. What is affected by emotion is the writing process and that is completely different from the recording process. The emotion that the artist is feeling at the time of writing and the time of recording may be completely different but you wouldn't be able to tell. You never experience the recording process and unless you're psychic you have no way of knowing how the artist felt at that time.

TL;DR?

you're an idiot. If you have no emotional reaction to the piece of sound you're listening to, it's not because it has no emotion, it's because you don't associate any emotion with that sound.

I'd like to take the opportunity to say that

a) I don't particularly like MABs music, I've heard a couple of albums worth of the stuff and I just don't enjoy it beyond the wow factor (which has worn off)

and

b) as illustrated by the above point, you can dislike whoever the hell you want, but don't try and put the 'blame' on somebody else. YOU decide whether you like it or not, not anything else.
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you're an idiot. If you have no emotional reaction to the piece of sound you're listening to, it's not because it has no emotion, it's because you don't associate any emotion with that sound.

I'd like to take the opportunity to say that

a) I don't particularly like MABs music, I've heard a couple of albums worth of the stuff and I just don't enjoy it beyond the wow factor (which has worn off)

and

b) as illustrated by the above point, you can dislike whoever the hell you want, but don't try and put the 'blame' on somebody else. YOU decide whether you like it or not, not anything else.

The thing with MAB and most shredders like him is that they are so well versed with their theory, they can do whatever they want at the drop of a hat. There's no work that goes into their music, they just say "oh, I'll do a mixolydian scale in G ending with 64th triplet tapping at 120bpm." They don't have to work for their music. All they have going for them is the wow factor. You yourself said it's not worth anything beyond the wow factor. I'd rather listen to Jimi Hendrix who knew hardly any theory and could write a song I'd listen to for decades than a song by Ywngie or Batio that was neat for a week, then the wow wore off.

This might seem a little odd, but whatever the person is feeling when they write something and when they play something is transmitted through the music. Music is just sound waves, yeah, but they are a carrier for emotion and ideas. I'm not saying that if you know theory, you don't have any emotion in your music, I'm just saying that a lot of these guys learned how to shred because they wanted to shred. Hendrix learned how to play, because he loved music.

EDIT: Wait, I never blamed anybody for anything, wtf?
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The thing with MAB and most shredders like him is that they are so well versed with their theory, they can do whatever they want at the drop of a hat. There's no work that goes into their music, they just say "oh, I'll do a mixolydian scale in G ending with 64th triplet tapping at 120bpm." They don't have to work for their music. All they have going for them is the wow factor. You yourself said it's not worth anything beyond the wow factor. I'd rather listen to Jimi Hendrix who knew hardly any theory and could write a song I'd listen to for decades than a song by Ywngie or Batio that was neat for a week, then the wow wore off.

This might seem a little odd, but whatever the person is feeling when they write something and when they play something is transmitted through the music. Music is just sound waves, yeah, but they are a carrier for emotion and ideas. I'm not saying that if you know theory, you don't have any emotion in your music, I'm just saying that a lot of these guys learned how to shred because they wanted to shred. Hendrix learned how to play, because he loved music.

EDIT: Wait, I never blamed anybody for anything, wtf?


Hendrix I on the other hand see as a horrid guitarist. Sloppy as hell, and his emotion is repetitive. No comparison to MAB. Instead of Hendrix I would have mentioned someone worthy like SRV,
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Hendrix I on the other hand see as a horrid guitarist. Sloppy as hell, and his emotion is repetitive. No comparison to MAB. Instead of Hendrix I would have mentioned someone worthy like SRV,

There you go, even better example. I disagree that he's repetitive and sloppy, but that's where difference of opinion comes in.
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While he is just as clean and I do prefer his playing infintely there is not evidence he is faster that we know of.
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The thing with MAB and most shredders like him is that they are so well versed with their theory, they can do whatever they want at the drop of a hat. There's no work that goes into their music, they just say "oh, I'll do a mixolydian scale in G ending with 64th triplet tapping at 120bpm."

that's a bad shredder who composes by theory alone. have you sat in on one of his writing sessions? so how do you know that's how he composes. Music theory isn't a set of rules to be followed it's a way to describe what's happening and seeing as though he created it, he should be able to use his theory knowledge to describe what he's just done in a particular song.

They don't have to work for their music.

we can tell by this statement that you've no idea of what it requires to get to that level of technique alone.

All they have going for them is the wow factor. You yourself said it's not worth anything beyond the wow factor.
I said I don't like his music beyond the wow factor, I don't enjoy it but it doesn't mean it doesn't evoke emotion in somebody else. That's where we differ, you state your opinion as fact whereas I know mine means jack ****

I'd rather listen to Jimi Hendrix who knew hardly any theory and could write a song I'd listen to for decades than a song by Ywngie or Batio that was neat for a week, then the wow wore off.
whoopdydoo, you don't like the music. read point (b) at the end of my post.

This might seem a little odd, but whatever the person is feeling when they write something and when they play something is transmitted through the music. Music is just sound waves, yeah, but they are a carrier for emotion and ideas.

I've addressed this, they don't. they may trigger emotions but that's about it.

I'm not saying that if you know theory, you don't have any emotion in your music, I'm just saying that a lot of these guys learned how to shred because they wanted to shred. Hendrix learned how to play, because he loved music.


because people put in hours upon hours of practice to attain a level of technique that removes physical barriers of expression so that they can boast. not so that they can write the music they want.

Thanks for making that clear

EDIT: Wait, I never blamed anybody for anything, wtf?

the whole 'it has no emotion' is an excuse to remove the burden of not liking something away from you. You don't like it because the artist is at fault, not because you just don't enjoy the song.
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He is a good guitarist, but if you look in guitar world 2008 hes not the fastest. In fact, Todd Duane(My guitar teacher) the third fastest guitar player in the world. Shawn Layne is the fastest overall...
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He is a good guitarist, but if you look in guitar world 2008 hes not the fastest. In fact, Todd Duane(My guitar teacher) the third fastest guitar player in the world. Shawn Layne is the fastest overall...

that's strictly alternate picking. it was done by willjay and there are more than a few things to contest with his clocking method.

If you want a more definitive fastest guitarist lit, check the thread in the shred forum. It doesn't exclude people just because they use economy picking, tapping or sweeping so you get a better overall idea.
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He is a good guitarist, but if you look in guitar world 2008 hes not the fastest. In fact, Todd Duane(My guitar teacher) the third fastest guitar player in the world. Shawn Layne is the fastest overall...


Most guitar magazines don't know enough; check the Fastest Guitarists thread in the shred forum. Much more accurate.
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that's a bad shredder who composes by theory alone. have you sat in on one of his writing sessions? so how do you know that's how he composes. Music theory isn't a set of rules to be followed it's a way to describe what's happening and seeing as though he created it, he should be able to use his theory knowledge to describe what he's just done in a particular song.

He does use his theory to describe what he's done, but he does it to show off as well. He may very well be the fastest or the cleanest, but whether or not he actually is, he'll probably think he is anyway. Granted I've not sat with him, but it doesn't take that to tell what all goes into his writing process.

we can tell by this statement that you've no idea of what it requires to get to that level of technique alone.

I know very well what it takes, thank you. It takes a lot of commitment and a lot of time to be able to do what he does, not to mention natural prowess at his instrument. What I was saying is that it seems like he will write something in an hour, be happy, and go make an album like it was nothing. As an example, Thom York puts emotion into his music. He labors over it. It is his child. You can tell what he was feeling when he wrote it and every time you listen to it. Batio just writes a song and is done, but Thom is never done with his work.

I said I don't like his music beyond the wow factor, I don't enjoy it but it doesn't mean it doesn't evoke emotion in somebody else. That's where we differ, you state your opinion as fact whereas I know mine means jack ****

I don't state my opinion as fact. I don't include "IMO" after everything I say, but that doesn't mean I think my word is law and anyone else is wrong. And if you think your opinion means jack **** then why bother posting?

I've addressed this, they don't. they may trigger emotions but that's about it.

This is something we just don't agree on. There's no bother arguing.


because people put in hours upon hours of practice to attain a level of technique that removes physical barriers of expression so that they can boast. not so that they can write the music they want.

More power to the person who studies and trains and practices to get to the place where he can write what he wants, but don't do it to say you can do it and don't do it to impress other people. My opinion is that Batio and people like him have attained that level of ability to say that they did, not because they wanted to easily express the music they wish to write.

the whole 'it has no emotion' is an excuse to remove the burden of not liking something away from you. You don't like it because the artist is at fault, not because you just don't enjoy the song.

People dislike things for different reasons. Am I at fault because I think the guy is a douche? I personally like listening to the music he writes, but there's no emotion behind it, there's nothing deeper to it than playing fast. I don't like that he does the things he does for the reasons he does. His music is kind of a moot point to me.
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haha look at this guy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiTtnYe50g&feature=related

how can he not be the best guitarist? he has a quad guitar!!!!


EDIT: on a more serious note... just listen to this {whole} song.... its got "emotion" haha and dynamics and alot more than just shredding. I hate people who think MAB is just another guitar wanker

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Hendrix I on the other hand see as a horrid guitarist. Sloppy as hell, and his emotion is repetitive. No comparison to MAB. Instead of Hendrix I would have mentioned someone worthy like SRV,

shouldnt jimi be more worthy because he influenced nearly all of SRV's music?
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haha look at this guy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiTtnYe50g&feature=related

how can he not be the best guitarist? he has a quad guitar!!!!


EDIT: on a more serious note... just listen to this {whole} song.... its got "emotion" haha and dynamics and alot more than just shredding. I hate people who think MAB is just another guitar wanker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiT6qtM09tI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwJq-jT4a8 is the reason he is not the fastest.

And here is the most technical guitarist of all time in my opinion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJS9uc0zhTQ.

Anyways MAB is amazing, and his music is awesome.
#34
People like what they like.

I remember I was freaking out the first time I saw MAB.

Then I fell in love with the blues .
#35
Pick up the July issue of Guitar World-"Speed Kings, 50 Fastest Guitarists of all Time" with Yngwie on the cover.

Personnally I think Yngwie owns Batio, but so what. I hate hearing about how one person is "the best" at whatever, and going through this list you'll realise that there are a ****load of players out there that are incredible at all kinds of guitar things. Trying to deffinitively place one player on top is rediculous. Now saying that I think Batio should spend a couple bucks on a friggin hair cut.

One other thing, Batio has a patented string buffer device attached at the nut of his guitars to help acheive that clean sound.
#36
I appreciate MAB's incredible talent and he is an exceptional player. His stuff just tends to lack musical fluency. He's focusing more on the guitar than on the music, which, to me, is pretty pointless.
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He does use his theory to describe what he's done, but he does it to show off as well. He may very well be the fastest or the cleanest, but whether or not he actually is, he'll probably think he is anyway. Granted I've not sat with him, but it doesn't take that to tell what all goes into his writing process.

are you psychic? how can you possibly know what a person, who you know very little about beyond his public persona, thinks when he's writing his music?

I know very well what it takes, thank you. It takes a lot of commitment and a lot of time to be able to do what he does, not to mention natural prowess at his instrument. What I was saying is that it seems like he will write something in an hour, be happy, and go make an album like it was nothing. As an example, Thom York puts emotion into his music. He labors over it. It is his child. You can tell what he was feeling when he wrote it and every time you listen to it. Batio just writes a song and is done, but Thom is never done with his work.
Since 95 he's put out 8 albums. considering he doesn't have to write and record lyrics I'd say that's a fair amount. And again, you don't know how long he takes to write his songs. I know you put 'seems' but all I'm getting from this is that you're making huge assumptions about his character based on very little.

I don't state my opinion as fact. I don't include "IMO" after everything I say, but that doesn't mean I think my word is law and anyone else is wrong. And if you think your opinion means jack **** then why bother posting?
because all opinions are equally worthless and I'm not always posting my opinion. I also post objective criticisms.


This is something we just don't agree on. There's no bother arguing.
if you can explain to me how it can do what you suggest, how it can actually transfer such an intangible thing like emotion, then I'll gladly concede the point.


My opinion is that Batio and people like him have attained that level of ability to say that they did, not because they wanted to easily express the music they wish to write.

Your psychic powers of assumption kicking in again


I personally like listening to the music he writes, but there's no emotion behind it, there's nothing deeper to it than playing fast. I don't like that he does the things he does for the reasons he does.

Holy ****, again?

I'll sum it up. You're ignorant and you make huge assumptions.

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Pick up the July issue of Guitar World-"Speed Kings, 50 Fastest Guitarists of all Time" with Yngwie on the cover.

Personnally I think Yngwie owns Batio, but so what. I hate hearing about how one person is "the best" at whatever, and going through this list you'll realise that there are a ****load of players out there that are incredible at all kinds of guitar things. Trying to deffinitively place one player on top is rediculous. Now saying that I think Batio should spend a couple bucks on a friggin hair cut.

One other thing, Batio has a patented string buffer device attached at the nut of his guitars to help acheive that clean sound.

1 that list is wrong on a few levels.
2. the string dampener is to stop excessive string noise for when he plays 2 guitars at once (i.e. one hand per neck, so no muting capabilities). I've never seen him use it on a single necked guitar.
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#38
the patented string dampener is only used on his double guitar, which, btw, no other guitarist has played as cleanly on with or without the dampener.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwJq-jT4a8 is the reason he is not the fastest.

And here is the most technical guitarist of all time in my opinion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJS9uc0zhTQ.

Anyways MAB is amazing, and his music is awesome.



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#40
Di Meola is incredible. I can't stand Batio myself and I love shredders. Becker destroys him in every facet poossible.
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