#1
Hey guys, I'm thinkin about gettin a wah pedal and all I ever hear about are crybabys. I did a wikipedia search on them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunlop_Cry_Baby) and am just wondering what the best one is. I guess it really matters for what you want to play, but I'm not terribly picky. What are the best types of wahs in general?
#2
I own a regular, but I've heard the Morley Power Wahs are really good.

I say go for the Morley. If you can only get the Dunlops, then get the Classic, best sound I've heard from a Dunlop Cry Baby, IMO.
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#3
there's no best in general. i love my Vox that's for sure. on clean and overdrive it's pure heaven. on GNR type hi gain it's also beautiful. but on super hi gain that's where it's not as wah-able. but you gotta remember that most great wahs are superior at one end of the spectrum and somewhat lacking in the other. not necessarily terrible type lacking, but just the kind that leaves more to be desired. Crybaby's seem to be great at handling all types of gain and some clean, but not nearly as sweet sounding on clean as say a Vox or Buddah wah. then there's the fulltone and teese wahs that are supposed beasts at ALL ends of the spectrum...but they'll run you a few hundred easy.

the ONLY dunlop i'd recommend that isn't a model from the 80s or earlier is prolly the Slash Sig. my old dunlop was a big tone sucker. as for Vox they only have a couple models and right now only the V847A is being manufactured i believe, but i love mine and it's definitely QUALITY and only 100 bucks....i say go for that unless you're just playing metal. in that case maybe look into Morley bad horsie or Ibanez weeping demon.
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#4
I'd say an older Crybaby. The new ones sound really good, and i tried one right next to a Morley wah and found the morley really sterile sounding. Even my dad, who's pretty tune deaf and lacks a lot of music experiance said "ew" when he heard the morley, yet said "damn" when I was using the Crybaby. It may have just been my taste, but I'm not super fond of them.

Supposedly the newer ones are made someplace like Taiwan (not sure, but I remember someone associating new Crybaby's with new Boss pedals as far as the manufactuing). Older ones were Japan (maybe? Not 100% sure again, may be America, I have no clue), and they seem to sound A LOT nicer. I'm actually thinking of hitting up the used market for an 80s or 90s Crybaby. As slash_rocks says, the new Slash Wah is a great wah too, along with the Vox wah pedals (never tried the Vox, but I want to being a big Hendrix fan).
#5
RGFANMAN, you should check out a vox sometime. i was almost sold on Crybaby's till i noticed how much tone they sucked. then tried a Vox and never looked back. now this isn't to say that the nicer crybaby's (Slash sig, 535Q, and modded ones) are bad sounding, this all came down to preference. but vox's are very vintage sounding and might just be the best thing your ears will ever hear.
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#6
Yeah I'm not sure how you think the Crybaby sucks more tone..
Like the V847 the Crybaby isn't true bypass either, the Crybaby at least uses a buffer to retain some tone, the V847 doesn't. The two are practically identical except for the buffer, and different values for the gain/bass resistor. Vox even used Dunlop's inductors and pots.
#7
the Vox DOES have a very nice buffer in fact. i'm talking about the V847A model, not the original. ALSO, dunlop copied VOX first i believe. wasn't Vox the first crybaby? the one hendrix used? and then dunlop copied that. i'm not a wah-specialist so don't quote me on it. and the crybaby's i'm talking about are the ones that are less than $130. the original, classic and one other are really killer on the dry signal. but if you can't notice it on ur setup then you might just be lucky or somethin. this is all from experience, one's ears might interpret things differently ya know
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#8
I thought you were referring to the V847, sorry. The V847 does indeed suck more tone than the original Crybaby though, I just can't see anyone else thinking otherwise. An unbuffered wah circuit really loads down your signal. I hate the Crybaby's buffer but it does at least retain some tone.

Dunlop really didn't copy, they simply bought out Thomas Organ who originally made the Crybaby. Thomas Organ was the American distributor for Vox.
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#9
well ya learn somethin new everyday then. thanx for the info on that.

good to see we're a lil clearer on our back-up info
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#10
Crybabies are mediocre at best. The only one's you should be looking at are the 535Q or the Crybaby from Hell. If you're not using a lot of gain, a Vox might suit you better. If you have the money, a Real McCoy is about the best you're going to get.
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#11
I actually like the original crybaby (after it has been modded for true bypass, which is a very easy mod BTW) better than any of the Vox wahs, which have a very narrow sweep that doesn't suit my taste at all. But then again it's all preference, try them both.
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