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Hey guys!
I'm about to buy my first electric guitar, or well electric Spanish guitar I would like to have your help choosing which one to buy, pros and cons on these ones, and which one will suit me the best. As you can see in the title I'm between the Epiphone Dot and Epiphone Casino. Since i've only played an electric guitar once and that was for about 3 minutes, i'm kind of shy about going to a store and try them out.

What you may need to know is that i like artists like Lifehouse (fav band), Goo Goo Dolls, The Calling, BUT also bands such as Blink 182 and Sum 41. Thou the primary sound i wanna get is the Lifehouse sound, since it's their songs i play the most (pop/rock/alternative). The reason why i've fall for the semi acoustic ones is because The lead singer in Lifehouse (Jason Wade) play with these, he got lot's of ES-335s and Casinos too i think.

Here you have a live performance from Lifehouse so you may get a feeling about what I like http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5182573659414958878

Another thing I need help with is to find a nice amp to for the same kind of sound as mentioned (Lifehouse (pop/rock/alternative). I've read some reviews and found the Line6 spider 3 75 pretty interesting. Read that you can pretty much get any genre sound from it even tho it's more for metal and hardrock. What do you think about that one? What other do you recommend?

Thanks in advance guys! Any thought is appreciated

(The looks of the Casino is awsome http://dane.lauda-audio.pl/prod/5148/Casino.jpg)
#3
the casino is full hollow body (i believe) and P90s

the dot is semi-hollow and has humbuckers.

i'd go with the dot as the casino feedbacks like hell, and it's A LOT cheaper than the casino. you might like the casino better though. i suggest you try them out first.
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#4
my drummer has the casino. the tone is very warm and full, infact i think it has a fuller sound thn my les paul classic. but for solos. it lacks sustain
#5
Quote by lithium26
the casino is full hollow body (i believe) and P90s

the dot is semi-hollow and has humbuckers.
first.


That's correct, or atleast what i've read hehe
I've also read about the feedback, but how bad is it? Is it that big difference from the Dot?

Quote by kckyle
my drummer has the casino. the tone is very warm and full, infact i think it has a fuller sound thn my les paul classic. but for solos. it lacks sustain


Ok cool, what types of songs does he usually play with them?

And in general, if you guys listen to the song example i posted (the Lifehouse performance) which guitar would suit that sound the best? And what amp do you recommend for these guitars? Once again thanks for the answers
#6
hes british, so hes into muse teh stroke, oasis and stuff like these. he play it though a vox velvetronix 30watt. yes there are alot of feedbacks if the volume is a bit overboard. as for amps? i think you should get a peavey classic 30. full tube but the price wont break the bank. check ebay or criaglist to see some second handed ones. their fairly decent for the price
#7
you might also want to look at the epiphone sheraton II. I think its all up to how they feel, since I have never played them...but as for amp, I would suggest a roland cube. depending on what you are going to use it for. if only home practice, I suggest the micro cube, or cube 15x or whatever. if you want to jam with a band then the 60 watt is your best choice..

edit:^ I think you should get a tube amp too, but if you dont want to spend much money, and if you dont know if you will even like to play guitar. I would suggest keeping it lower...but valve (tube) amps are way better...
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#8
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I think you should get a tube amp too, but if you dont want to spend much money, and if you dont know if you will even like to play guitar.


I'm pretty sure i like playing guitar :P been playing for like 5 years, but only on a beginner acoustic hehe, so now it's tme to step up some the first couple of years i didn't play that much, but since 2 or 3 years ago i play pretty much, and specially the last year and a half i play ALOT, everyday atleast 1-2hrs but often much more
#9
ok, then a tube amp it is. if you are going to jam with a band, I suggest something with like 10 watts atleast (depending if you are playing clean or overdriven). if you want a clean sound to be heard over drums, the get like a 30 watt amp.
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Hm ok. I'm watching the prices atm, the Cube 60 costs about the same price as the Line6 spider 3 75 i was going to buy, so think my budget lets me buy the cube 60 even Hm hard to say what i usually play, on the amp since i never done it hehe, not gonna say to much about amp effects and stuff because i have no idea how they work and are... but if i'm gonna base my playing on Lifehouse, i would say that they have pretty much clean sound in their song, but also with some distortion (?) So ok, the cube amp look smore suited for my music playing, but as mentioned i also wanna be able to play blink 182, sum 41 etc etc, for these songs, do i need some extra footswitch (?) or something to get that distorted sound, or will the cube amp do it itself? and in that case what switches are recommended?
#11
I own a Dot and I personally love it. You get a great guitar for the price. It has a lot of tonal possibilities and it plays great. Feedback is a small issue when you're playing in a tiny space but it's really not that big of a problem.

I also thought about getting a Casino but I bought the Dot because it was cheaper. I suggest that you try both of them out and decide how much you're willing to spend.
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Hm ok. I'm watching the prices atm, the Cube 60 costs about the same price as the Line6 spider 3 75 i was going to buy, so think my budget lets me buy the cube 60 even Hm hard to say what i usually play, on the amp since i never done it hehe, not gonna say to much about amp effects and stuff because i have no idea how they work and are... but if i'm gonna base my playing on Lifehouse, i would say that they have pretty much clean sound in their song, but also with some distortion (?) So ok, the cube amp look smore suited for my music playing, but as mentioned i also wanna be able to play blink 182, sum 41 etc etc, for these songs, do i need some extra footswitch (?) or something to get that distorted sound, or will the cube amp do it itself? and in that case what switches are recommended?


well I think the cube could do blink 182 and sum 41...but its not a tube amp...it will be better than the spider, but it wont sound as good as a tube amp...
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sorry for all these newbie questions, but what is a tube amp? :O is there and that would fit me? pros cons?
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And also, should i get any foorswitch? would that make things better?
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I have the Casino VT, very cool guitar...



I like it better than the Dot, but I was also after more of the Beatles sound. I also prefer single coils to 'buckers.

And the Spider 3 is a terrible amp. The Cube 60 would be much better. As would a Peavey Bandit. A tube amp (an amp powered by tubes!) would be better than either. The suggestion of a Peavey Classic 30 is a good one. Tube amps sound about twice as loud (or more) as solid state amps of twice their wattage, so 30W tube is plenty of gigging power. Classic 30's are common enough that you should be able to find a used on in excellent condition for $400 or less.
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Quote by slatsmania
I have the Casino VT, very cool guitar...



I like it better than the Dot, but I was also after more of the Beatles sound. I also prefer single coils to 'buckers.

And the Spider 3 is a terrible amp. The Cube 60 would be much better. As would a Peavey Bandit. A tube amp (an amp powered by tubes!) would be better than either. The suggestion of a Peavey Classic 30 is a good one. Tube amps sound about twice as loud (or more) as solid state amps of twice their wattage, so 30W tube is plenty of gigging power. Classic 30's are common enough that you should be able to find a used on in excellent condition for $400 or less.


Ok thanks for the information had no idea Ok so i've looked peavey classic 30 up in onlinestores, and on ebay. The price in the stores is about 950$ and on ebay i found one for 600$. Kind of expensive tbh :/ but what genres is that amp good for? and what kind of music do you play on your Casino? If you don't mind, listen to the song i liked and please let me know if you think the Casino is suited for that kind of music (pop/rock/alternative)
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line 6 spider are not horrible amps. there just happens to be better amps on the market within the price range. i get great tone out of mine with just couple tweak. if you know what ur doing any amp will sound good.

as for the classic 30, their around 300-400 used.
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IMO TS the Dot is more towards your sound. Whilst my snobbishness dislikes semi-hollows being used for high gain stuff, the 'buckers will cope a heckuva lot better than the Casino's single coils.

Dot: Advantages over Casino:

-Less likely to feedback horribly (due to type body construction and pickup characteristics)

-Better sustain

-Better upper fret access

Casino: Advantages over Dot:

-lighter

-more jangly and brighter sounding

-more Beatle-y


I like both guitars incidentally...
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Quote by kckyle
line 6 spider are not horrible amps. there just happens to be better amps on the market within the price range. i get great tone out of mine with just couple tweak. if you know what ur doing any amp will sound good.


very true for low volumes. but you have to recognize that when its too loud, the amp's computerization will show through. and since its not a 'real' amp, you won't be able to tweak the settings to get as good a sound as you got when it was at a low volume.
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Quote by Rexoar
Ok thanks for the information had no idea Ok so i've looked peavey classic 30 up in onlinestores, and on ebay. The price in the stores is about 950$ and on ebay i found one for 600$. Kind of expensive tbh :/ but what genres is that amp good for? and what kind of music do you play on your Casino? If you don't mind, listen to the song i liked and please let me know if you think the Casino is suited for that kind of music (pop/rock/alternative)


I'm at work, and can't view videos here. Sorry.

But if they are a pop/rock/alternative act, the Classic 30 should handle it well. It can cover anything from cleans and blues to classic hard rock on it's own. With an OD, it'll tighten up enough for heavier stuff. It's a very versatile little amp.

Tube amps just have a warmer, more organic tone overall than SS amps. Not knowing Lighthouse, I'd still venture to guess that they're running tube amps. Conservatively, 90% of pros do.

Where are you that the amp's that expensive? And what are you looking to spend? Maybe we can come up with a couple other alternatives.

As for the guitar, the Casino was my personal preference. I don't have a lot of issues with feedback with it (although I have some), but ECwomantoneman gives you a good list of pros and cons on both guitars. For me, I was looking for the Beatles White Album sounds. The Casino is all over that album. I love the way the Casino dirties up. It's a great rhythm guitar, a great singer/songwriter guitar. If you're playing a lot of lead, I could see the Dot being the better option, though.
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Quote by kckyle
line 6 spider are not horrible amps. there just happens to be better amps on the market within the price range. i get great tone out of mine with just couple tweak. if you know what ur doing any amp will sound good.

as for the classic 30, their around 300-400 used.


that is one reason why they are so horrible. they are one of the most overpriced amps out there. why would you buy a amp that sounds ok at low volumes whe for the same price you can get something that sounds good at low volumes and high volumes...
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Quote by ECwomantoneman
IMO TS the Dot is more towards your sound. Whilst my snobbishness dislikes semi-hollows being used for high gain stuff, the 'buckers will cope a heckuva lot better than the Casino's single coils.

Dot: Advantages over Casino:

-Less likely to feedback horribly (due to type body construction and pickup characteristics)

-Better sustain

-Better upper fret access

Casino: Advantages over Dot:

-lighter

-more jangly and brighter sounding

-more Beatle-y


I like both guitars incidentally...


Thanks alot for the cons and pros really appreciated!

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I'm at work, and can't view videos here. Sorry.

But if they are a pop/rock/alternative act, the Classic 30 should handle it well. It can cover anything from cleans and blues to classic hard rock on it's own. With an OD, it'll tighten up enough for heavier stuff. It's a very versatile little amp.

Tube amps just have a warmer, more organic tone overall than SS amps. Not knowing Lighthouse, I'd still venture to guess that they're running tube amps. Conservatively, 90% of pros do.

Where are you that the amp's that expensive? And what are you looking to spend? Maybe we can come up with a couple other alternatives.

As for the guitar, the Casino was my personal preference. I don't have a lot of issues with feedback with it (although I have some), but ECwomantoneman gives you a good list of pros and cons on both guitars. For me, I was looking for the Beatles White Album sounds. The Casino is all over that album. I love the way the Casino dirties up. It's a great rhythm guitar, a great singer/songwriter guitar. If you're playing a lot of lead, I could see the Dot being the better option, though.


OK cool. The Peavey classic 30 is the number one on my amp list now then hehe I live in Europe, more specific in Sweden. And the stores i've checked the new price for it is around 950$ :/

Well Lifehouse (http://www.last.fm/music/Lifehouse) isn't THAT famous hehe so not totaly surprised you don't know them hehe, but other similar bands i like are the Goo Goo Dolls, Switchfoot, The Calling,, matchbox 20, Vertical horizon, 3 Doors down etc. maybe some ring a bell?

I've planned to spend about 1100-1300$ on guitar + amp.

To be fully honest i think the Dot will suit me better, tho what drags me more to the Casino is the awsome vintage look of it (http://dane.lauda-audio.pl/prod/5148/Casino.jpg) makes me fall in love with it hehe looks exactly how i want my futured Gibson ES-335 Sparkling Burgundy to look like hehe What i know about lifehouse (or the lead singer/guitarist Jason Wade) is that he uses lots of different vintage Gibson ES-335s, recently i've read that he got a great collection of Epiphone Casinos too which he plays with on concerts, dunno how accurate the Casino using is tho, but awell. Really love their sound thats why i'm so obsessed to get the right guitar, even tho the player is the most important part of getting a good sound hehe
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Quote by fifer
that is one reason why they are so horrible. they are one of the most overpriced amps out there. why would you buy a amp that sounds ok at low volumes whe for the same price you can get something that sounds good at low volumes and high volumes...


you can hardly call a 300 dollar amp overpriced, overpriced is something like the EVH 5150 when you can get the peavey 6505 for 1 grand less. as for volume it sound just as good or maybe even better when its loud. just because its a solid state it dosen't mean it's complete garbage. this is the problem with this forum, if someone criticize about one thing ppl bound to jump on the rant wagon.
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Casino...but I'm a biased Beatles fan.
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very true for low volumes. but you have to recognize that when its too loud, the amp's computerization will show through. and since its not a 'real' amp, you won't be able to tweak the settings to get as good a sound as you got when it was at a low volume.


idk how loud it has to be for the amp's computerization to be blowned. but for band practice and small gig i never have to turn it up pass 2/3 on the master volume.
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oh you live in europe, thn that changes everything, i suggested the classic 30 cause is cheap and good in u.s, but since u live in europe i think ur better off getting a vox or laney?
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oh you live in europe, thn that changes everything, i suggested the classic 30 cause is cheap and good in u.s, but since u live in europe i think ur better off getting a vox or laney?


Yeah, look for a Laney VC30. That would be the European counterpart to the Peavey Classic 30. A lot of folks like it even better.

And yeah, for the bands you're talking about, you'll be very happy with it.
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Yeah, look for a Laney VC30. That would be the European counterpart to the Peavey Classic 30. A lot of folks like it even better.

And yeah, for the bands you're talking about, you'll be very happy with it.


more like the classic 30 is the American counterpart for European, mainly because imo British amplication has superior tone
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Quote by kckyle
you can hardly call a 300 dollar amp overpriced, overpriced is something like the EVH 5150 when you can get the peavey 6505 for 1 grand less. as for volume it sound just as good or maybe even better when its loud. just because its a solid state it dosen't mean it's complete garbage. this is the problem with this forum, if someone criticize about one thing ppl bound to jump on the rant wagon.


that is overpriced. 300 dollars for a loud amp that you cant turn the volume up because it doesnt sound very good. for 300 you could get a small tube amp. even 15ish watt amps.
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that is overpriced. 300 dollars for a loud amp that you cant turn the volume up because it doesnt sound very good. for 300 you could get a small tube amp. even 15ish watt amps.


you can too turn the volume up. and it does not lose any tone due to it. not to mention it save me the hassle of redialing in the tones every time i'm in the mood for something else.
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well atleast the spiders suck when turned up. and I dindt say it would loose tone. I said that it wont sound soo good, as in compared to a tube amp.
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Yeah, look for a Laney VC30. That would be the European counterpart to the Peavey Classic 30. A lot of folks like it even better.

And yeah, for the bands you're talking about, you'll be very happy with it.


Happy with the guitar or amp?


Looked up the Laney VC30, costs around 1k $ here :S any other suggestions?

The Dot costs around 570-600$ here, and Casino costs around 750$. So for the amp i've counted to spend around 450-600$ depending on what guitar I go for
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Quote by fifer
well atleast the spiders suck when turned up. and I dindt say it would loose tone. I said that it wont sound soo good, as in compared to a tube amp.


tube amps are the best, so if the spider doesn't sound so good compare to the best, it doesn't necessarily make them crap. these amps are great for beginner's who do not know much about dialing in the tones they wanted or how much effect they should put in.
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Quote by Rexoar
Happy with the guitar or amp?


Looked up the Laney VC30, costs around 1k $ here :S any other suggestions?

The Dot costs around 570-600$ here, and Casino costs around 750$. So for the amp i've counted to spend around 450-600$ depending on what guitar I go for


have you look at gretch? they have a low end model that suppose to be really good for the buck. if they laney is more expensive thn the peavey thn i guess the classic 30 is back on ur list again lol
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I just sent a mail to the 3 most known guitar stores in Stockholm asking if they got Epi Dot and Epi Casino in the stores so i could try them. Now i'm just waiting for an answer didn't look to bright on thier homepage tho.. I could find Epi Dot but not Casino.. we'll i'll just have to wait and see what they tell me

Quote by kckyle
have you look at gretch? they have a low end model that suppose to be really good for the buck. if they laney is more expensive thn the peavey thn i guess the classic 30 is back on ur list again lol


And for amps i'll ask them what they recommend, but i'm gonna ask about tube amps now that i know that they are "better". Haha and like you said kckyle, the Peavey is back on the list hehe
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Unfortunately, fret access is a slight problem with the Casino, but as for the feedback issues, they can be remedied with simple home solutions.
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yeah one thing you gotta watch out for is the peavey classic 30 dosent have a tube guide. so its really easy to break a the circuitry if ur not careful
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Quote by thewho65
Unfortunately, fret access is a slight problem with the Casino, but as for the feedback issues, they can be remedied with simple home solutions.


Sorry for being stupid :P but what do you mean by fret access?

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yeah one thing you gotta watch out for is the peavey classic 30 dosent have a tube guide. so its really easy to break a the circuitry if ur not careful


Totally new with electric guitars and amps :S so what do you mean by ube guide? And how can i break ethe tubes?

:$
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Quote by Rexoar
Sorry for being stupid :P but what do you mean by fret access?



Totally new with electric guitars and amps :S so what do you mean by ube guide? And how can i break ethe tubes?

:$


fret access means how high up the fret u can put ur finger on without struggling due to the body of the guitar.

tube guard*, sorry i misspelled it. the tubes are exposed in the back, being their fragile and some ppl dont exactly handle amps with care.
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Quote by kckyle
fret access means how high up the fret u can put ur finger on without struggling due to the body of the guitar.

tube guard*, sorry i misspelled it. the tubes are exposed in the back, being their fragile and some ppl dont exactly handle amps with care.


Oh ok nice thanks alot leard alot today hehe, np about the misspelling i should have understood that you meant guard :P tho I take very good care of stuff, so shouldn't be a problem
About the fret access, when i look at the Dot and casino i think they look pretty much the same?

http://dane.lauda-audio.pl/prod/5148/Casino.jpg
http://dane.sound.pl/prod/5149/TheDot.jpg

Thanks ALOT for all help!
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