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#1
Like me i bet all of you can't stand sellouts. But I can't seem to ever when this arguement against my friends on whether Metallica sold out or not. I want ot hear what all of you think.
#2
no there not sellouts the only reason ppl say that is cause they cut there hair
#4
Metallica aint sold out - from what ive heard the new albums gonna be proper metallica again
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#5
Metallica didn't sell out they got kind of tired of doing the same thing so they tried new things. I hate it when people say things like "Metallica should have stopped after the Black Album".
I mean do you really think they'd be like "Yeah so our album just went #1 on the Billboard charts and a lot of people like us and we're really enjoying what we're doing but I think we should stop because there are some people who don't like our new music"?

Selling out = being successful and other people being jealous.
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#6
whats wrong with it? oh no they want more money, who doesnt, you'd have to be retarded not to
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#8
Its not that they cut their hair. Its because they are barely metal at all now. I mean listen to Mama Said off of Load and you cant tell me thats metal. They were all about how metal they were but now there not.
#9
haha
no one in this thread can spell, or use the right words
"i cant seem to when this argument"
nice
and it's they're, not there mavtx41
and stueey just needs to be slapped

on topic, it's not selling out if you do it solely for the music.
i do not know enough about Metallica's case specifically in order to make a fair judgment
but it wouldn't surprise me if they did it for the money
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#10
How did they sell out by making an album that 99% of their fans hated?
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How did they sell out by making an album that 99% of their fans hated?

Well even if you're talking about their fan base prior to the Black Album I don't really think that's a very valid statement, lots of people liked that cd (or at least that I've talked to).

Why can't people realise they didn't try to make Master of Puppets 2 because it would be ****ty?! Being original was what got Metallica where they were today, at least partially.
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#13
I was talking mainly about St. Anger.
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#14
For more information on the topic of selling out, please refer to Tool's "Hooker With A Penis".
That explains selling out completely for me.
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#15
I have a philosophy regarding anything Metallica nowadays, and it goes like so:

I don't care.


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#16
Metallica is Metallica and a pear is a pear. If you dont like it, then who really cares. Personally i think even the St. Anger album was good.
#17
Quote by zigz407
I was talking mainly about St. Anger.


Yeah but when people talk about Metallica 'selling out' it's always either after the Black Album or Load or Reload. I mean by St. Anger the people who called them sell outs then probably aren't going to care about them 10 years later.
#18
Ok, I see now.
I don't think the Black Album was selling out, but Load and Reload are terrible albums in my opinion. I don't think it was really selling out though because those albums weren't as popular as their other albums.
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#19
What's interesting is that this needs not one, but TWO peripheral threads aside from the Metallica Only Thread to discuss this bull****.
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Quote by zigz407
Ok, I see now.
I don't think the Black Album was selling out, but Load and Reload are terrible albums in my opinion. I don't think it was really selling out though because those albums weren't as popular as their other albums.


um the black album is their best selling album

and i read an interview once where lars was saying how they would go to hair metal shows and throw stuff at the bands for not being metal enough and now look at them

if thats not selling out i dont know wut is
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#21
As I posted in the other thread. I dont believe in that sellout crap, I really dont, if your music makes commercial mainstream success then hell more power to you! If you want to change your sound to keep that success level, go for it. I dont want to have to keep a day job and live the "struggling musician" life if I dont have to, I want to make a living doing what I love to do which is music and I dont want to have to do something on the side unless I WANT to.
#22
Good point Contraband.

Why the hell do you have 2 thread's for one stupid subject?

It doesn't really matter if they did or didn't..I only like the first 4 albums anyways.
#23
I think they sold out because of the Napster issue, not because of their music. Yes, they started making music that had a more commercial sound, but that doesn't mean they sold out. They just did what they wanted to do, which is pretty much the opposite of selling out.
#24
I really don't care. At all. For all I care a band that's sold out could make the best music in the world and it wouldn't change my opinion of the music. The end product is what I'm concerned with, not the motivation behind it or the surrounding events.
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#25
In hindsight, if I really bother thinking about anybody selling out, then I personally conclude that musical dignity can legitimately be sacrificed for the enhanced financial wellness of the creators without any regard to the needs of old fans and to their own pursuit to make meaningful soundwaves embedded into plastic. Whether your music touches anybody or not is a completely different issue than selling out as it takes into account the prevalence of the value of creativity and musical legacy over capital gain. It's all a personal difference of values. Nobody is to say that the creative value of music supercedes that of its commercial value or vice versa. In the poetic worlds of Ancient Greece and Renaissance Europe, that could be said, as people had a fondness for natural aesthetics (which a lot of metal tends to embody for me, ie Agalloch). But today, whatever gets you through the day is viable because everyone in this world chooses their own lifestyle (and their deathstyle too, lol).
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#26
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whats wrong with it? oh no they want more money, who doesnt, you'd have to be retarded not to


Obviously you aren't capable of thinking outside the box on anything. Have you ever considered the fact that people might make music cause...you know...they like making music? Oh what's the word I'm looking for... passion perhaps? Nah, can't be. Idiot.

Anyways...

A) Metallica sucked from day one
B) They did sell out because they chose to alienate their metal fans and stop making "thrash" and start making generic radio rock. This action has created a large scale of morons who say "yeah I like Metal, I looooove Metallica!" No, shut up, you don't like Metal, go home.
C) Their shift in direction was also pivotal in forging the aggressive rock movement also known as "nu-metal." The Black Album paved the way for lots of aggressive rock bands like Korn to start preying on the angst of young pimply teenagers wearing giant black pants that claimed themselves to be metalheads.
D) They totally ditched their originality (even though it sucked to begin with) to become a money making ***** with no real sense of self worth. This is the definition of "selling out." So all you Metallica fan boys, or idiots like the thoughtless fail-vector I quoted above can take your "METALLICA CAN DO NO WRONG, CEPT FOR ST. ANGER" attitudes, shine them up, wrap them with a Metallica poster, shove it directly into your anus, turn on St. Anger and dip your genitals in a bathtub of sulfuric acid.
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#27
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A) Metallica sucked from day one

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#28
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ud sellout if u could. if u wudnt ud be ****in stupid tbh.


...

Uh...

Yeah...

A lot of metal bands have been reported of "selling out"

Opeth were called sell-outs on Blackwater Park and Damnation...and, they aren't exactly a bad band.

Sell-out =/= lots of money.

Most of you foos fail to realize that that isn't even close to what that means
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...

Uh...

Yeah...

A lot of metal bands have been reported of "selling out"

Opeth were called sell-outs on Blackwater Park and Damnation...and, they aren't exactly a bad band.

Sell-out =/= lots of money.

Most of you foos fail to realize that that isn't even close to what that means


I dont really see how they sold out for either of those albums. Especially for BWP. Each Opeth album is significantly different from the others anyways....
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#30
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I dont really see how they sold out for either of those albums. Especially for BWP. Each Opeth album is significantly different from the others anyways....


Trsut me, I've heard it. Plenty.

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Trsut me, I've heard it. Plenty.

If you think I was saying they were sell-outs, you don't know anything about me


No, not at all, just merely continuing the discussion. I've only heard that Damnation was them selling out, but I just don't see how. It wasn't a move towards anything that would make them any more money than a regular album, it was just them expanding upon the acoustic breaks in their songs...
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#32
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No, not at all, just merely continuing the discussion. I've only heard that Damnation was them selling out, but I just don't see how. It wasn't a move towards anything that would make them any more money than a regular album, it was just them expanding upon the acoustic breaks in their songs...


Aight, just making sure.

But, yeah, well I've heard BwP called a sellout album because they expanded on their acoustics even more than previously (though Still Life has quite a few acoustic sections), and that they were attempting to start to ditch their death/black influences from the older albums like My Arms... and Morningrise.

Damnation...has been called a sellout only because of what you said, because they thought Opeth were going to adhere strictly to that style...

Expecting something like that, from Opeth, was the first mistake.
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Mikael stated his intentions directly before Damnation was even recorded, yet idiot fans still protested with "OMGZ THIS IS WHAT OPETH IS BECOMING?!?!" Vectors of fail those people are.
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#34
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Mikael stated his intentions directly before Damnation was even recorded, yet idiot fans still protested with "OMGZ THIS IS WHAT OPETH IS BECOMING?!?!" Vectors of fail those people are.


Some people.

I can't imagine what the original Opeth fans (around when Orchid first came out) felt when Opeth released MAYH and Still Life. Probably complete and utter confusion, going from a Blackinfluenced/Melodic Death Metal band to a straight Progressive Death Metal band.
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The entire concept of "selling out", particularly how its thrown around in the genre of metall, is extremely adolescent and stupid in my opinion.

More often than not, the case is that a band (like Metallica) simply wanted to try a different sound, or something to that extent. And just as often, it plays into the childish illusion of feeling special for being a fan of a band that not many people know about. It's sad when a band may then become more popular, and those fans decide that the band must have therefor sacrificed musical integrity in doing so.
#36
But Opeth could not be viewed as sell-outs 'cuz their music isn't aimed at radio at all, besides what RR decides to do w/ the song, as far as length editing.

...and the music he's creating now is a reflection of the music he's been into more and more so the last few years... the old-school prog.

I truly believe in this bands immunity towards "selling out."
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But Opeth could not be viewed as sell-outs 'cuz their music isn't aimed at radio at all, besides what RR decides to do w/ the song, as far as length editing.

...and the music he's creating now is a reflection of the music he's been into more and more so the last few years... the old-school prog.

I truly believe in this bands immunity towards "selling out."


You really did not read anything I said did you?

I said the "hardcore br00ta4lz fanz" didn't like the sudden increase and acousticness (not to say Opeth never included them, heh). And, Damnation was the same thing.

Besides, Damnation was/is a very popular and successful album.
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The entire concept of "selling out", particularly how its thrown around in the genre of metall, is extremely adolescent and stupid in my opinion.

More often than not, the case is that a band (like Metallica) simply wanted to try a different sound, or something to that extent. And just as often, it plays into the childish illusion of feeling special for being a fan of a band that not many people know about. It's sad when a band may then become more popular, and those fans decide that the band must have therefor sacrificed musical integrity in doing so.


Look at it this way:
What if Alexi Laiho came out onstage dressed like and played total emo crap?
Him being one of your favorite musicians, how would you feel about that?

Metallica did that.
From raging metal alcoholics, to... whatever that was.
I love all their music, but that's 'cuz that's how they've always been since I've been listening...

But I can tell you that if Devin Townsend showed up in some pop-punk band, or Mikael Akerfeldt was modelling trendy clothes, I'd be pretty disappointed.
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^If Townsend or Akerfeldt did that, it would be for the lulz no doubt. A sick sense of the lulz though.
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^If Townsend or Akerfeldt did that, it would be for the lulz no doubt. A sick sense of the lulz though.


Wes talking 'bout Dev and Mike, here.

Not Kirk and Kerry.

/stupid "joke"

Serious answer: Mikael and Devin would do it, I can see, especially for the lulz.
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