#1
This got me thinking when it was someone's quote saying there is no E# or B# and I cannot think of a place where these are played (on a guitar at least).
#3
Wrong forum, Musician Talk is where you want to ask,

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#4
They are used by certain scales. Like the F# scale uses E#
E#=F
B#=C
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#5
Yeah, they're generally called F and C.
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#6
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they are more commonly known as F and C

This


I thought this was common sense for anyone with a basic knowledge of theory. Everything down in half steps so if it's: G G# A Bb B C C# then a half step above B would be C just like a half step above G is G#......It's all chromatics...
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#7
To the people calling them F and C, same tone, different note name. It's called an enharmonic. (unless my theory knowledge has slipped more than I thought it did recently).

Eg. F# Major scale:
F#, G#, A#, B, C#, D#, E#, F#
#8
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they are more commonly known as F and C

Yes, but odd names like B# and E# are the only ways to go in certain cases, such as an A augmented triad (E#) or an Eb Phrygian scale (Fb).

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#9
yep, enharmonics...
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#10
They're the same chords, just different names in different keys... at least I think that's what it is.
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#11
Even though I know what it means, whoever said that there is no E# and B# is wrong. In transcription, sometimes one is required to notate E# and B# instead of F and C, depending on whether the context is chromatic or diatonic. Although they are the same tones, the different notations help the musicians read with more ease.

By the same token, Cb and Fb exists. And don't even get me started on bb and x's.


Edit: To answer your question:

on a standard tuned guitar...
B#(C) E8, E20, A3, A15, D10, D22, G5, G17, B1, B13
E#(F) E1, E13, A8, A20, D3, D15, G10, G22, B6, B18

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#12
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Even though I know what it means, whoever said that there is no E# and B# is wrong. In transcription, sometimes one is required to notate E# and B# instead of F and C, depending on whether the context is chromatic or diatonic.

E# and B# are used in diatonic situations as well, such as the F# major scale.
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E# and B# are used in diatonic situations as well, such as the F# major scale.

Well, not "as well". That was exactly what I was talking about.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#14
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Well, not "as well". That was exactly what I was talking about.

I misread what you said, I thought you were implying that notes like E# and Cb were used only in chromatic contexts, that's where "as well" came from.

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And don't even get me started on bb and x's.


I forget what x's are. Could someone enlighten me?
#17
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I forget what x's are. Could someone enlighten me?

It's a double sharp, if I remember correctly.
#18
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I forget what x's are. Could someone enlighten me?


double #.

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