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Because I'm tired of reading about teen angst as a mental disorder post how you feel I guess instead of the ceaseless " I feel really hopeless and moody...boohoohoo" threads. Because the pit is here to help you overcome your psychological trauma even though we encourage goatse, and two girls and one cup, we're here to help

also discuss general psychology including careers etc.

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to those who think I'm a heartless bastard I am not belittling your problem I just think there is a time and place for everything
my quote "I'm not saying they (people with depression) are pussies I just think the pit is the right place to talk about that how about a psychologist we are here to damage the brain through homo-erotic pornography and lemon party so there is a time and a place for everything"
Last edited by Bonesaw at May 22, 2008,
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#4
Yes, because obviously anyone who say's they are depressed are little pussies who can't deal with life.

No sweeping generalizations please.
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Quote by Bonesaw
Because I'm tired of reading about teen angst as a mental disorder



how true

i may be living in here.... anyone else interested in psychology as much as i am?
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#7
I'm bipolar and I would say I cope a lot better than most of these little emo kids who whine about their hopeless lives.
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#8
Haha, weird, I just posted an Obsessive Thoughts thread.
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Quote by The2abraxis
how true

i may be living in here.... anyone else interested in psychology as much as i am?



Yeah, I'm right there with you. I haven't decided for sure but psychology might be my major in college next semester.
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Quote by shakes23
Yes, because obviously anyone who say's they are depressed are little pussies who can't deal with life.

No sweeping generalizations please.



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ok I want to know, why does everyone think depression is caused by a chemical imbalance (and if it is, what causes it eh). the research on it has proven to be falseafied like crazy (ex: they thought low serotonin levels were the cause. Turns out, people with depression have high, normal, and low levels, so theres no consistency. Also, some "effective" antidepressants actually lower/inhibit serotonin intake, doing the complete opposite of what it "should" do). Although the research is weak and not signifigant at all, the media spreads the word that its a "chemical imbalance" and a "disease", which is putting it really into a terrible perspective. thoughts anyone?
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#13
Quote by shakes23
Yes, because obviously anyone who say's they are depressed are little pussies who can't deal with life.

No sweeping generalizations please.

I'm not saying they are pussies I just think the pit is the right place to talk about that how about a psychologist we are here to damage the brain through homo-erotic pornography and lemon party so there is a time and a place for everything
#14
if you want to look up a funny psych disorder... look up vaginismus (sp?)
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Quote by sobrandnew2232
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I haven't decided for sure but psychology might be my major in college next semester.

Sorry about the spam, but I love your avatar, great album! Anyway to make this not spam, I did a research paper on depression and it is widely misunderstood. It's not just something you can suck up, it's a chemical imbalance in the brain.
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Quote by The2abraxis
ok I want to know, why does everyone think depression is caused by a chemical imbalance (and if it is, what causes it eh). the research on it has proven to be falseafied like crazy (ex: they thought low serotonin levels were the cause. Turns out, people with depression have high, normal, and low levels, so theres no consistency. Also, some "effective" antidepressants actually lower/inhibit serotonin intake, doing the complete opposite of what it "should" do). Although the research is weak and not signifigant at all, the media spreads the word that its a "chemical imbalance" and a "disease", which is putting it really into a terrible perspective. thoughts anyone?



to clarify, im not exactly disagreeing with you, but I am curious to your sources. Where has depression research as a chemical imbalance been falsified?
#17
^ Sorry but I didn't understand that sentence.

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Quote by The2abraxis
ok I want to know, why does everyone think depression is caused by a chemical imbalance (and if it is, what causes it eh). the research on it has proven to be falseafied like crazy (ex: they thought low serotonin levels were the cause. Turns out, people with depression have high, normal, and low levels, so theres no consistency. Also, some "effective" antidepressants actually lower/inhibit serotonin intake, doing the complete opposite of what it "should" do). Although the research is weak and not signifigant at all, the media spreads the word that its a "chemical imbalance" and a "disease", which is putting it really into a terrible perspective. thoughts anyone?



I'd like to read up on how they falsefied it. But I agree to an extent, I think that depression is just part of ACTUAL diseases in the brain.

EDIT: I'd like to see sources as well.
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I think it's crazy that the APA actually classified homosexuality as a mental disorder until the 60's
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Quote by Bonesaw
I think it's crazy that the APA actually classified homosexuality as a mental disorder until the 60's

Yeah, but look at some of the ads they had from the '50s, the world was and still is to some extent horribly homophobic. It's really a sad thing, it will get better with understanding though.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A5VNe9NTOxA
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And oh my god I feel so damn old
I don't really feel anything
#23
holy crap! that video is sad but I still laughed it called homosexuality contagious?
#24
Ive taken general psych already, and im taking psych 250, child development, and sociology this coming semester. Hopefully going to go all the way thru for my Ph.D in psychology. Hope I can contribute a bit to this thread.


Edit: Yeah, the 50s homosexuallity was considered contagious... good example of an assumption being made on a social taboo. Thankfully psychology has progressed leaps and bounds since then.
#25
I hope to be a psychiatrist one day. Also I'm kind of offended to the fact that you refferred to depression as a teen angst disorder, and that you implied that depressed people are huge babies. You are a dick and I honestly don't think you could handle or understand depression with a narrow view like that.

edit: other than that I love this kind of thread I'm extremely interested in psychiatry and research it all the time I like to think I know quite a bit about psychology but not everything.
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#26
I took a little bit of child development, when I say a little bit I mean I dropped all my classes after one week. I'm starting up again next fall. No worries.
#27
Did you know that psychology is a Greek word that means the study of pubic growth? (as in hair)
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Quote by The2abraxis
ok I want to know, why does everyone think depression is caused by a chemical imbalance (and if it is, what causes it eh). the research on it has proven to be falseafied like crazy (ex: they thought low serotonin levels were the cause. Turns out, people with depression have high, normal, and low levels, so theres no consistency. Also, some "effective" antidepressants actually lower/inhibit serotonin intake, doing the complete opposite of what it "should" do). Although the research is weak and not signifigant at all, the media spreads the word that its a "chemical imbalance" and a "disease", which is putting it really into a terrible perspective. thoughts anyone?


Psychology is quite a young and underdeveloped science. It is a disease but they don't quite know what caused it the different things you here are probably represented by someone qith low education on it or they simplify it for the mass public here is a page all about it. http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/depression/complete-publication.shtml
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Quote by tayroar
I hope to be a psychiatrist one day. Also I'm kind of offended to the fact that you refferred to depression as a teen angst disorder, and that you implied that depressed people are huge babies.


what I had already said "I'm not saying they are pussies I just think the pit is the right place to talk about that how about a psychologist we are here to damage the brain through homo-erotic pornography and lemon party so there is a time and a place for everything"

i think that most people have dealt with depression on occasion, I have but i would not say it was very severe so just chill a bit
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Ok to start off, I have a few things from online databases via my college (Psychinfo, a peer reviewed/popular database for psychology publishings)
- Studies show antidepressants do not perform better than placebos (Kirsch, Moore, Scoboria, & Nicholls, 2002; Kirsch, Scoboria, & Moore, 2002)
- Studies show an "effective" antidepressant actually lowers serotonin, while some "effective" antidepressants increase serotonin (Wagstaff,Ormrod, & Spencer, 2001).
That’s only two, but I don’t have my ID on me so I cant access them as of now
There are a few websites with this info as well:
http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/11/09/depressions-chemical-imbalance-explained/
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/faq/chemical.htm
http://mental-health.families.com/blog/depression-the-myth-of-chemical-imbalance
http://psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-20040521-000010
I could go on forever, but you get the point. The main argument, however, is not that there isn’t a chemical imbalance (there may be one!), but how strong we put our belief into this theory that has no backing. This raises the question of why we are so quick to go to antidepressants when the problem may not be biological, but rather of some other factors (medicine treats the "imbalance" as they say). As soon as people go into a mental health facility, they are drugged without getting their symptoms. Its also interesting that people are diagnosed with a chemical imbalance without even getting tested! (and there aren’t any real tests to determine if there is one or not). Also, another interesting finding is:
- Studies show the efficacy of psychotherapy and placebo responses in curing/alleviating
depression (e.g., Babyak et al., 2000).

This raises the question again of why we go so quickly to antidepressants when other things work just as well.
Ps: I tried typing this earlier, but my computer kept freezing and erasing it, sry for the delay!
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#31
Quote by Bonesaw
what I had already said "I'm not saying they are pussies I just think the pit is the right place to talk about that how about a psychologist we are here to damage the brain through homo-erotic pornography and lemon party so there is a time and a place for everything"

i think that most people have dealt with depression on occasion, I have but i would not say it was very severe so just chill a bit


Yeah I get what you are saying it just kind of struck a nerve the way I interpreted it. Also, no offense but everyone deals with sadness there is a huge misconception of sadness and depression being the same. (which is why I got upset) Depression is a legitimate disease however, I would agree with someone with bipolar and depression being over diagnosed much like ADHD, but I guess that comes with diseases we have medication for and very little understanding.
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also theres the chicken and the egg problem of the chemical imbalance (if there is one): does depression cause a chemical imbalance, or does something cause a chemical imbalance (such as thoughts, beliefs, interpretations, etc...). the latter has proven to be true (through my favorite schater and singer!)
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#33
Quote by tayroar
Yeah I get what you are saying it just kind of struck a nerve the way I interpreted it. Also, no offense but everyone deals with sadness there is a huge misconception of sadness and depression being the same. (which is why I got upset) Depression is a legitimate disease however, I would agree with someone with bipolar and depression being over diagnosed much like ADHD, but I guess that comes with diseases we have medication for and very little understanding.

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Quote by The2abraxis
This raises the question again of why we go so quickly to antidepressants when other things work just as well.


I think because those other things aren't as easy as popping a few pills with a gulp of water.
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To the fellow with the slayer icon. I agree we do jump to give the wrong thing too often. This can many times damage people. This is why there are many cases of antidepressants causing depression because of them lowering serotonine levels without the person having problems.
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Quote by tayroar
Yeah I get what you are saying it just kind of struck a nerve the way I interpreted it. Also, no offense but everyone deals with sadness there is a huge misconception of sadness and depression being the same. (which is why I got upset) Depression is a legitimate disease however, I would agree with someone with bipolar and depression being over diagnosed much like ADHD, but I guess that comes with diseases we have medication for and very little understanding.


prime example of how thought/beliefs/interpretations cause emotions. something went against his beliefs, and he had an emotional reaction to it (anger).

same thing can go for a depressed person. they might have a belief that they have to please everyone, so when they don't, they lose self confidence, and become depressed.
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#37
Originally Posted by The2abraxis
"This raises the question again of why we go so quickly to antidepressants when other things work just as well."

i think it's because people don't want to deal with things and just want a simple solution ala pills i mean weight loss pills etc.
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Quote by sobrandnew2232
I think because those other things aren't as easy as popping a few pills with a gulp of water.



that is very true. some people are just lazy well not lazy, but maybe dont know about other options, or just want a quick fix (which is actually strange, because "successful" treatments for medication are on a plan for at least 6 months)
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Me personally, I'd rather take my pills instead of excersise and good diet. But someday I plan on taking on that lifestyle and completely getting rid of my medication.

EDIT: So yes, I am a lazy person.
#40
Wow this thread has potential of being my favorite. Please don't let this one die. You have a good point as cause and effect our sciences are, I'm confused as to why that hasn't been looked into yet on your chicken and egg theory. Psychiatry is growing too, don't give up on it yet because keep in mind to get soldiers off morphine doctors made heroin its that we learn from our mistakes that progresses health sciences like this.
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