#1
Im a little but unsure, but could i use a monster guitar cable to connect a amp head and a cab? Or do i need some special sort of cable for that?
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#2
speaker cable
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#4
what will happen if i try with the guitar cable? its 1/4 outs and ins on the cab and head,
the music store is closed and i wanna try out my new amp :p
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#6
don't risk it. An instrument cable isn't meant to carry a powered signal like an amplifier puts out. Instrument cable is a very thin tiny core conductor with insulation and shielding around it. Speaker cable is much thicker wire and not shielded.

If it heats up, it can melt the shielding and short, melt the solder connections on the jack and go to open load, etc...
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#7
I'm sure nothing will happen. It's not as if there are high currents flowing through there, it certainly won't melt anything.
You can also use a normal electricity cable if you can solder it to 2 jacks.
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#8
Quote by Ventor
I'm sure nothing will happen. It's not as if there are high currents flowing through there, it certainly won't melt anything.
You can also use a normal electricity cable if you can solder it to 2 jacks.


Speakers have VERY high current going to them at significant volumes. And it WILL melt a guitar cable if he turns it up at all.

TS, just wait until you can get a proper speaker cable. It will save you a lot of repair costs in the long run.
#9
Quote by Ventor
I'm sure nothing will happen. It's not as if there are high currents flowing through there, it certainly won't melt anything.
You can also use a normal electricity cable if you can solder it to 2 jacks.

lol, it can be full Amperes of current running thru that cable depending on the power, not tiny milliamps of current. Normal appliance electric cable is MUCH thicker than instrument cable.
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#10
found a store that was open so got a speaker cable now, but i dont think it was so good quality, since it was prett cheap, and they didnt have any others

this blackheart is loud as hell 5 watt setting and volume on 5 and my ear hurts if i sit close
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#11
Quote by Jaekae
found a store that was open so got a speaker cable now, but i dont think it was so good quality, since it was prett cheap, and they didnt have any others

this blackheart is loud as hell 5 watt setting and volume on 5 and my ear hurts if i sit close


5 watts can be bloody loud, ehh? Get some earplugs and crank that bitch. You can thank me later.
#12
Quote by Erock503
lol, it can be full Amperes of current running thru that cable depending on the power, not tiny milliamps of current. Normal appliance electric cable is MUCH thicker than instrument cable.


If it were full amperes running through there many people would have been killed by amps.
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#13
Quote by Ventor
If it were full amperes running through there many people would have been killed by amps.

you need to do a little research before spouting off things as fact. Look up Ohms laws.

Ohms law:
P = V x I or P = I^2 x R or P = V^2 / R

Where P is the power in Watts, V is the voltage in Volts, R is the resistance in Ohms, and I is the current in Amperes. Do some calculations and get a clue.
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#14
I'm with Ventor. I ran a VJ head with an instrument cable, cranked weekly, for 4 or 5 months out of ignorance back in the day. I still use the cable, and the VJ never suffered any negative effects.

I also once left my Champ 600 on for 4 hours without a speaker plugged in. Nothing went wrong.

I once plugged my 5150 into a cab that turned out to have a failed input jack, so it put no load on the amp. I toyed with it for a few minutes, with the amp on, then cut it off. No damage.

Amps arn't as fragile as everyone would have you think. I think riffhog one ran a marshall head with a hand-wire power amp out with no load for years with no ill effect.
#15
Quote by the.spine.surfs
I'm with Ventor. I ran a VJ head with an instrument cable, cranked weekly, for 4 or 5 months out of ignorance back in the day. I still use the cable, and the VJ never suffered any negative effects.

I also once left my Champ 600 on for 4 hours without a speaker plugged in. Nothing went wrong.

I once plugged my 5150 into a cab that turned out to have a failed input jack, so it put no load on the amp. I toyed with it for a few minutes, with the amp on, then cut it off. No damage.

Amps arn't as fragile as everyone would have you think. I think riffhog one ran a marshall head with a hand-wire power amp out with no load for years with no ill effect.

come on Spine, I figured you would know better. A VJ is 5W, that's not a lot of power even cranked. You can get away with using one sometimes in a pinch, but it's not smart at all to use one long term, you are rolling the dice. That's not even considering capacitance issues.

Just think of the simple physics of it man. Say an amp is putting out 100W, with an 8ohm cab load. That's 3.5amps running thru the cable when it's cranked to the point before clipping. Think about how hot the tiny core conductor in an instrument cable can get running that much current thru it.

and seriously man, I highly doubt Randy would run something with no load for years, he's far too smart for that. Especially a Marshall tube amp, which already have a reputation for more delicate output transformers.
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Last edited by Erock503 at May 23, 2008,
#16
i want ur avatar...
i've tried a hundred times to upload my own, what i did was take that logo off the internet and resize it in paint and it NEVER worked for me...

anyways i been wanting a GNR avatar since i joined but never got it to work for me

oh yea and power to the amp bro, i'm sure you know as well as i do how great the blackhearts are for doing GNR
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#17
Quote by Erock503
you need to do a little research before spouting off things as fact. Look up Ohms laws.

Ohms law:
P = V x I or P = I^2 x R or P = V^2 / R

Where P is the power in Watts, V is the voltage in Volts, R is the resistance in Ohms, and I is the current in Amperes. Do some calculations and get a clue.


You're right, and I learned something new: high current & low voltage & high body resistance = not lethal
Haven't worked with electricity for a long time, I should do some catching up ::type
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#18
Quote by Ventor
You're right, I learned something new
Haven't worked with electricity for a long time, I should do some catching up ::type

yeah, sorry about that reply, it was a little abrasive. I need to drink some beers and get ready for the weekend.

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#20
Quote by jimmy666page666
Once again Erock knows his stuff.

haha, occasionally. funny though, the more stuff I learn, the more I realize I don't know squat, lol.

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#21
Quote by slash_rocks2005
i want ur avatar...
i've tried a hundred times to upload my own, what i did was take that logo off the internet and resize it in paint and it NEVER worked for me...

anyways i been wanting a GNR avatar since i joined but never got it to work for me

oh yea and power to the amp bro, i'm sure you know as well as i do how great the blackhearts are for doing GNR


if you want to i can make you a working gnr avatar :P

since you also have the bad mankey and same amp as me, maby you could give me your best settings for the gnr tone, will save some time for me finding it :p
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#22
alrite sounds like a deal!! lemme get the amp turned on real quick and find it! keep in mind i'm having to use bedroom level settings since i'm in the living room. but it should be too different
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#23
alrite well i gotta give you my estimates as i can't even use the 5 watt setting w/ over 1/5 volume + bad monkey or my gparents will be disturbed watchin' TV.

i would say if you don't have to worry much about volume, then put it on 5 watt 3/4 volume. then bad monkey 3/4 level and 1/4 gain. High knob at 4/5 and low knob at 3/4.

as for the blackheart EQ, bass at 3/4, treble at 3/5 (this amp seems to have a lotta high end bite) and Mids at full.

you could max out the blackheart's volume on 5 watt setting and have a pretty good raw GNR tone, but the OD added will help fatten up the leads which will achieve the tone a lil better. but this is more on a jamming volume now lol.

when in 3 watt mode (for more quiet practicing) put ur BH volume around 2/5 and keep the above settings. this will do fine for having a clean tone, a nice one in fact. then let ur bad monkey do all the gain. keep the level under half and have your gain over half. keep in mind that this is NOT the best way to get the GNR tone but when you have to be quiet it will do the job and keep other fam from yellin' at ya. i prefer the earlier, but we can't always have our 5 watts cranked

now throw urself a crybaby or vox and nice delay, you've got instant slash arsenal.

i hope that helped. with my new tubes comin, the settings might change some but i'll post back on this thread if i do and can remember.

oh yea, and of course i assume you've got a dual humbucker guitar. i use my SG so it's not quite the GNR replica, but it's really close. bridge pup for rhythms and some leads (my michelle and welcome to the jungle are good examples of songs that have leads w/ lots of bite as opposed to his more known 'woman' tone like in november rain and SCOM.) ok this should do
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#24
hmm ur guitar is gonna be a lil different so the settings might have to have slight tweaking. all in all, your settings might change one day for the GNR tone, adding a lil of ur own preference maybe. that's the fun part about chasing tone, you get to add your own lil spice to the mix.
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#25
Quote by Erock503
come on Spine, I figured you would know better. A VJ is 5W, that's not a lot of power even cranked. You can get away with using one sometimes in a pinch, but it's not smart at all to use one long term, you are rolling the dice. That's not even considering capacitance issues.

Just think of the simple physics of it man. Say an amp is putting out 100W, with an 8ohm cab load. That's 3.5amps running thru the cable when it's cranked to the point before clipping. Think about how hot the tiny core conductor in an instrument cable can get running that much current thru it.

and seriously man, I highly doubt Randy would run something with no load for years, he's far too smart for that. Especially a Marshall tube amp, which already have a reputation for more delicate output transformers.

Ah, I do. The VJ thing was pure ignorance. I bought some decent speaker cable as soon as I figured it out.

The point I was trying to make what what you said, that it's fine *IN A PINCH*. I'm just trying to point out that he'd be fine for a day, but you're right, he needs to buy a dedicated speaker cable as soon as he can. Sorry if I came off wrong.

Nah, he did it back in his early years. He admitted it once in a thread like this one. I'm not bashing him at all, he really knows his stuff. I was just offering more evidence to support my claim that tube amps arn't as delicate as they're made out to be.

TS, it's been a day. You got that speaker cable, right?
#26
Quote by slash_rocks2005
alrite well i gotta give you my estimates as i can't even use the 5 watt setting w/ over 1/5 volume + bad monkey or my gparents will be disturbed watchin' TV.

i would say if you don't have to worry much about volume, then put it on 5 watt 3/4 volume. then bad monkey 3/4 level and 1/4 gain. High knob at 4/5 and low knob at 3/4.

as for the blackheart EQ, bass at 3/4, treble at 3/5 (this amp seems to have a lotta high end bite) and Mids at full.

you could max out the blackheart's volume on 5 watt setting and have a pretty good raw GNR tone, but the OD added will help fatten up the leads which will achieve the tone a lil better. but this is more on a jamming volume now lol.

when in 3 watt mode (for more quiet practicing) put ur BH volume around 2/5 and keep the above settings. this will do fine for having a clean tone, a nice one in fact. then let ur bad monkey do all the gain. keep the level under half and have your gain over half. keep in mind that this is NOT the best way to get the GNR tone but when you have to be quiet it will do the job and keep other fam from yellin' at ya. i prefer the earlier, but we can't always have our 5 watts cranked

now throw urself a crybaby or vox and nice delay, you've got instant slash arsenal.

i hope that helped. with my new tubes comin, the settings might change some but i'll post back on this thread if i do and can remember.

oh yea, and of course i assume you've got a dual humbucker guitar. i use my SG so it's not quite the GNR replica, but it's really close. bridge pup for rhythms and some leads (my michelle and welcome to the jungle are good examples of songs that have leads w/ lots of bite as opposed to his more known 'woman' tone like in november rain and SCOM.) ok this should do


thanks dude have sent 4 gnr avatars in ug message thing , so youll have something to choose from
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