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I am just starting to play again. Since I travel a lot, I really do not want to lug an amp to my other home for the weekend (like the last weekend), but want a decent acoustic guitar to practice and play.

I bought my son a cheapo Washburn last year but he has migrated to my Strat, so I have been trying to play his. But this guitar sucks (I had a friend whom really plays well verify it.)

I am looking for some recommendations. Say I want to spend $500 used so figure a $1000 or so new one that I can buy used on eBay.

Thanks in advance for ideas.
1999 Gibson LP R9
2006 Tele John Cruz Masterbuilt
2007 MIA Strat Sunburst
2008 PRS SC-J Thinline Black Cherry/Bigsby (for sale)
2009 Zerberus Hydra II
2009 Custom Red Strat

Traynor YCV-50 Blue
#2
Art & lutherie's are cheap, and sound fantastic. Check 'em out.

Although, with you're budget you might be able to get better.
#3
Try looking up as many all-solid-body guitars (for top, back and sides) as you can. Remember that if the word "solid" isn't mentioned in the description of those body parts, then it's not solid. And with your budget, finding the right instruments shouldn't be a problem.

Here're some brands/models you might want to look at for starters, and these are usually well spoken-of in this forum as well as in others:

Under $750 or so:
- Epiphone Masterbilt series
- Guild GAD series
- Blueridge BR-14x series

Under $1000 or so:
- Larrivee 03 series
- Martin 15/16 series
- Taylor 3 series (without pickups)
- Yamaha Lx16 series

The key, as always, is to go to a nearest guitar store and try out as many models as you can, because only you can judge what guitar sounds best for you.
#4
Quote by TokyoNeko
Here're some brands/models you might want to look at for starters, and these are usually well spoken-of in this forum as well as in others


Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for. . . a starting point to do some research.
1999 Gibson LP R9
2006 Tele John Cruz Masterbuilt
2007 MIA Strat Sunburst
2008 PRS SC-J Thinline Black Cherry/Bigsby (for sale)
2009 Zerberus Hydra II
2009 Custom Red Strat

Traynor YCV-50 Blue
#5
try the ibanez exotic wood series. i personally love the zebrawood one. i usually dont like ibanez guitars, but this guitar was just too beautiful sounding to leave at the store. and its cheap new, like, 400 or something.
Fender 72' Deluxe Tele
Schecter Damian Elite 7
Fender '62 Reissue Jazz Bass (MIJ)
Peavey XXX 212 (back on the East Coast)

Macbook Pro 15" Retina
Logic Pro X 10.0.7
Revalver 4
LePou Amp Sims
Ignite Amp Sims
LeCab2
RedWirez Impulses
#6
*Sigh* Why would you recommend a $400 cheapie from a company known for quality control problems to a guy who can afford to spend up to $1000 on a real solid guitar?

Not to mention that those "exotic" woods actually look cheap and unsighty when viewed up close.
#7
ibanez is not that bad.. i've played one myself and they sound good.. it's about personal preference.. if you feel comfortable and good about an instrument, regardless of brand or solid and laminated tops, then go ahead and buy it.. everything will last long when well taken care of.. even the crappiest ibanez will live up if you take care of it and not hit it on walls, bash it around, or frequently tweak the truss rod.. peace out..
Gear:

PRS SE Standard
Ibanez AEG8E-NT w/ Seymour Duncan Woody SC
Yupangco Classical Guitar
Korg AX5G
Marshall MG50DFX
Vox Pathfinder 15R
#8
Quote by TokyoNeko
*Sigh* Why would you recommend a $400 cheapie from a company known for quality control problems to a guy who can afford to spend up to $1000 on a real solid guitar?

Not to mention that those "exotic" woods actually look cheap and unsighty when viewed up close.


'cuz i had the same amount of money when i got the thing. i actually think that the sound stands up to something like a martin or a gibson. seriously.

and, actually, they arent all that unsightly. only the some of them. they all look different. besides, have you actually seen zebrawood?
Fender 72' Deluxe Tele
Schecter Damian Elite 7
Fender '62 Reissue Jazz Bass (MIJ)
Peavey XXX 212 (back on the East Coast)

Macbook Pro 15" Retina
Logic Pro X 10.0.7
Revalver 4
LePou Amp Sims
Ignite Amp Sims
LeCab2
RedWirez Impulses
#9
Quote by kumamilesbear
'cuz i had the same amount of money when i got the thing. i actually think that the sound stands up to something like a martin or a gibson. seriously.

and, actually, they arent all that unsightly. only the some of them. they all look different. besides, have you actually seen zebrawood?


I've played an ibanez before. I played it after i bought my martin. trust me, it does not compare to my guitar on any level. maybe looks if you hate the simple look of most martins. I've heard many people say that Art & Lutherie's(i have one) can compare to a good martin. honestly... it just gets blown out of the water.

I can agree that zebrawood is definitely quite a handsome wood, but when it's laminated... just no. theres no way an all laminate guitar can sound better than solid wood. especially because laminate cant age like solid wood. my guitar's going to be quite a beast when it ages over the next 5-10 years. it sounds amazing enough as it is. the ibanez, however, will sound basically identical.

sorry if i sound a bit harsh, but i've played both and i can really say that they are not in the same league at all.
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

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#10
Quote by kumamilesbear
'cuz i had the same amount of money when i got the thing. i actually think that the sound stands up to something like a martin or a gibson. seriously.


If you're talking about all-HPL Martins or a horribly built low-end Epiphone (a Gibson subsidiary) and compare those to a particular Ibanez that doesn't suffer from quality problems, maybe. But there's no way any Ibanez "exotic" guitar is going to sound as good as my 000-15. I guarantee it.

Quote by kumamilesbear
and, actually, they arent all that unsightly. only the some of them. they all look different. besides, have you actually seen zebrawood?


As I alluded to earlier, I viewed most of those (inlcuding zebrawood) up close myself, played a few of them and wasn't very flattered. I'll be really blunt on that series of guitars now. Those guitars are marked up in price because of those unusual looks that are designed to attract people who just want to get something that looks out of the norm. For the price you pay for those guitars, you can do SO much better with other options out there, as they just simply don't cut in terms of performance when compared to other similarly-priced guitars.

And personally, I think the guitar looks better when you KNOW it's solidly built and sounds great. That's just another way of saying that I think my 000-15 looks better than any of those "exotic" Ibanez guitars.
#11
Quote by TokyoNeko
If you're talking about all-HPL Martins or a horribly built low-end Epiphone (a Gibson subsidiary) and compare those to a particular Ibanez that doesn't suffer from quality problems, maybe. But there's no way any Ibanez "exotic" guitar is going to sound as good as my 000-15. I guarantee it.
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Wow, i didnt know you actually got the 000-15. grats! haha.
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

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This is the guitar I have. I bought it when it was listed at $950 but paid $800 (before tax) after talking down the guy at Guitar Center. The price says $1099, but I'm pretty sure you can talk them down. Just go in and start playing the $600 Takamine get ready to buy it then start playing that one, tell them you can hear the difference but you can't afford it, and I'm sure they'll knock the price.

I'd take this against Taylor's costing $2,000+
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Quote by JHogg11
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This is the guitar I have. I bought it when it was listed at $950 but paid $800 (before tax) after talking down the guy at Guitar Center. The price says $1099, but I'm pretty sure you can talk them down. Just go in and start playing the $600 Takamine get ready to buy it then start playing that one, tell them you can hear the difference but you can't afford it, and I'm sure they'll knock the price.

I'd take this against Taylor's costing $2,000+


That's a pretty bold claim. My personal take on Takamines is they're made to be acoustic-electrics (just like Ovation). Most guitars with decent pickups will sound great plugged in (in other words, the differences in tonal quality between different models are minimized when amplified), so the best way to tell them apart is to play them unplugged and hear the natural sounds coming out of them. If you plan to play them mainly plugged in, Takamines are fine choices. but I think they sound so-so when unplugged.

Takamines aren't bad guitars by any stretch, but to compare a laminate guitar against a mid-grade Taylor is... well, questionable at best.
#15
I'd recommend a higher-end Alvarez or a Simon & Patrick...My RD20SC is one bad, little guitar...And all I can say for the S&P Showcase series is...wow! The S&P I purchased has a cutaway w/electronics and was marked over 1,300.00(got it WAY cheaper) so maybe the regular dread. in the Showcase series is obtainable in the 1,000.00 range? Anyways the back & sides are solid rosewood and the tops are solid spruce which S&P says are 'select pressure tested tops'...Comes w/ Tusq nut, saddle and bridge pins, Has gold tuners with 'cream buttons'.
Just an awesome, awesome guitar...Those guys in Canada are on to something. I think with the budget you're working with you're going to end up w/ a good guitar (solid woods)...Good luck
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Quote by TokyoNeko
That's a pretty bold claim. My personal take on Takamines is they're made to be acoustic-electrics (just like Ovation). Most guitars with decent pickups will sound great plugged in (in other words, the differences in tonal quality between different models are minimized when amplified), so the best way to tell them apart is to play them unplugged and hear the natural sounds coming out of them. If you plan to play them mainly plugged in, Takamines are fine choices. but I think they sound so-so when unplugged.

Takamines aren't bad guitars by any stretch, but to compare a laminate guitar against a mid-grade Taylor is... well, questionable at best.



I know but the fact is I don't even own an amp so I play everything unplugged. I was just messing around in the guitar store the other day I played a few of the Taylors and I still feel that way. At the very least, you have to admit the value/price is excellent.
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Quote by JHogg11
I know but the fact is I don't even own an amp so I play everything unplugged. I was just messing around in the guitar store the other day I played a few of the Taylors and I still feel that way. At the very least, you have to admit the value/price is excellent.


If your talking about the value for the price of that Tak, i would disagree with you. If you're paying $1000 for a guitar, you should get an all solid wood guitar.

$1000 for laminated sides and back is not good value for the money.
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Quote by slidething31
If your talking about the value for the price of that Tak, i would disagree with you. If you're paying $1000 for a guitar, you should get an all solid wood guitar.

$1000 for laminated sides and back is not good value for the money.


Well I like it and so do Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi.
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Quote by JHogg11
I know but the fact is I don't even own an amp so I play everything unplugged. I was just messing around in the guitar store the other day I played a few of the Taylors and I still feel that way. At the very least, you have to admit the value/price is excellent.


No, I DON'T have to admit that. If anything, I'll be even more adamant in saying that Takamine laminates are not good values at that price, when you can get better-sounding guitars from other brands.

As for Springsteen and Bon Jovi using your models, keep in mind that they're using it plugged in, which is a different usage model from yours. Also, they usually use it in large rock concert stages that are more suited for screaming electrics rather than acoustics in the first place.

Again, I would not pay $1000 for a laminate guitar, not when I can get decent Martins, Taylors or Larrivees for the same price. Takamine laminates can be considered good values for money at around $500 or so, but not much more than that.
Last edited by TokyoNeko at May 30, 2008,
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Two things: First, I'll concede that my experience playing those top tier guitars is very limited - maybe a few times in the guitar store. It could be that if I played them more I might be able to distinguish more of a difference (or at least one that justifies the price difference). Second, I'll definitely be buying a Taylor in the $2-3K range at some point in my life but I am very satisfied with my Takamine at the moment.
#23
Quote by slidething31
If your talking about the value for the price of that Tak, i would disagree with you. If you're paying $1000 for a guitar, you should get an all solid wood guitar.

$1000 for laminated sides and back is not good value for the money.

What if its worth it. Solid back and sides isnt everything, the top is the most important part. If martin made a cheapo HPL with the top of a D-28 id probly buy it for 800, maybe 1000, i Imagine it would play extremely well, if lam back and sides was the only draw back it would probly many cheap all solid wood guitats or and even compete with midrange ones
Edit:Id actually get a bluerigde instead, maybe i would have to play this fictional HPL D-28 tough. And taylor is overhyped if you ask me is i i agree with what some other guy said here that there not worth the money, they look alright, and play whatever, but for the money you could do alot bettor i think soundwise, takamine outdoes taylor IMO. Theres just never been a taylor thats ever wowed me, unlike takamines.
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Quote by the-kidR44
What if its worth it. Solid back and sides isnt everything, the top is the most important part. If martin made a cheapo HPL with the top of a D-28 id probly buy it for 800, maybe 1000, i Imagine it would play extremely well, if lam back and sides was the only draw back


"If martin made..."? They already do. It's called the X-series:

http://www.mguitar.com/guitars/choosing/series.php?s=X

The ones that end with "1" or "1E" have solid sitka tops. I've played them (and heck, even owned one.) Trust me, they do not compare to the solid-wood guitars.

Back/sides DO matter on acoustic guitars, especially the back. If you don't understand that, you should spend some more time in a guitar shop and play them a little bit. And if you're willing to pay up to $1000, the 15 and 16 series are already priced in that range.

I know I'm sounding a bit harsh, but you should really do a little research first.
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^no my friend you should do a little research first, what i was trying to say is a martin solid top with D-28 top and bracing and scaloping with HPL sides and back. thats what i meant couse its not all about the sides and back, they play a big role, but trust me friend, if those X-series had the sound board of a D-28 with that bracing and scalloping, alot more guitarist would be buying it over any all solid wood epiphone.
#27
You keep saying "if, if..." Reality check: has it occured to you there is a reason that Martin hasn't put together a D-28 bracing with HPL back/sides? Because it's not worth it.
#28
^Id beg to differ, if the price was good enough, maybe like 700-800, it would proply be a really good instrument, but since its just an imaginay instrument well never know, and yah its probly not worth it.
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Quote by TokyoNeko
I believe that's a mistake from GC. Take it from the real source.

http://www.takamine.com/?fa=detail&mid=139&sid=66



EF341SC

6 String Acoustic / Electric

Body Shape: Dreadnought C/A
Rosette: Concentric Rings
Top: Solid Cedar
Inlays: Snowflake
Back: Maple
Sides: Maple
Fingerboard: Rosewood
Electronics: CT4B
Tuners: Chrome
Features: Bound fretboard. Also Available as left handed model.


I'm not trying to be a dick but the guitar sounds great and since it is a solid top there's no reason for you to doubt that statement.
#31
^looks like im wrong then.
either way the X series could use bettor bracing anyways, dont you think.
It would be great if they used the 16 bracing, i wouldnt mind that at all it would be pretty descent.
#32
Quote by JHogg11
EF341SC

6 String Acoustic / Electric

Body Shape: Dreadnought C/A
Rosette: Concentric Rings
Top: Solid Cedar
Inlays: Snowflake
Back: Maple
Sides: Maple

Fingerboard: Rosewood
Electronics: CT4B
Tuners: Chrome
Features: Bound fretboard. Also Available as left handed model.

I'm not trying to be a dick but the guitar sounds great and since it is a solid top there's no reason for you to doubt that statement.


You failed to highlight the back/sides. Look, I never said that particular guitar was a BAD guitar. It's just not as good as an all-solid guitar like the mid/upper Martins and Taylors. If you enjoy your guitar, more power to you and I will not try to maliciously pour cold water on your satisfaction/enjoyment. But don't make it sound like they are as good as or better than the Martin 15/16, Taylor 3xx or even a Larrivee 03 series, because it simply isn't.

Besides, the fact that a guitar has a solid top (the quality of the wood used notwithstanding) is not really a differentiator for comparison between one guitar and another, as most guitars priced at $300 or higher have solid tops. A solid top is a requirement but not necessarily a sufficient condition on its own for a quality guitar.

Anyhow, I don't think you're trying to be a dick, and neither am I, believe it or not.
#33
Quote by the-kidR44
^looks like im wrong then.
either way the X series could use bettor bracing anyways, dont you think.
It would be great if they used the 16 bracing, i wouldnt mind that at all it would be pretty descent.


Then just get a 16... They cost under $1000 at many local guitar shops now. You'll be so much happier than settling for a HPL guitar.
#34
Guitars made out of HPL are not real guitars. They are toys. They are poor imitations of real guitars.

Again, you keep saying things that "if Martin" or "could use." The fact is, we will never know. Martin will not put that sort of effort into their HPL line, because it is not cost-effective. Those damn things already have over 500% markup.

In my opinion, those guitars could have lattice bracing, for all I care. That doesn't change the fact that they're made out of an unnatural, pulpy, grey sludge. Take some newspaper, mash it up in a bucket, strain it. You now know the secret to HPL, except theirs is run through a heavy press.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#35
Quote by TokyoNeko
Then just get a 16... They cost under $1000 at many local guitar shops now. You'll be so much happier than settling for a HPL guitar.

true that. no ****.hahahahahahaha
sucks that they dont make a OM-16R i would really love it if they did
Last edited by the-kidR44 at Jun 1, 2008,
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Quote by the-kidR44
true that. no ****.hahahahahahaha
sucks that they dont make a OM-16R i would really love it if they did

Actually they do. Or did. The 000-16RGT is the same shape as an OM.

I'm not sure if they make them in rosewood anymore though.
#37
^no they dont bettor look for a used one then, i just checked there website and all they make them in now is in hog
#38
er... they still make...

OMC-16RE Aura
http://mguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=s&g=6&m=OMC-16RE%20AURA

and an

000C-16RGTE AURA
http://mguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=s&g=6&m=000C-16RGTE%20AURA

16 series OM and 000 shaped bodies with cutaways, Fishman Aura electronics, and rosewood.
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

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#40
Quote by slidething31
It looks like they no longer have them without cutaways though


Agreed. That's quite a shame, actually. I was thinking about getting an OM or 000 bodied guitar because i love the small body, easy playability, and mid-ranged tone in order to have some variation from my boomy dreadnought. It wont be for quite a while though...
Equipment:
- Art & Lutherie Cedar CW (SOLD! )
- Martin D-16RGT w/ LR Baggs M1 Active Soundhole Pickup
- Seagull 25th Anniversary Flame Maple w/ LR Baggs Micro EQ

Have an acoustic guitar? Don't let your guitar dry out! Click here.
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