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First things first, I don't want to hear a word about how its more in the U.K. I think we all know that by now and thats not what this thread is about so if theres one post about it I'll be obliged to delete this thread.

I just saw on the news this new bill that is supposedly being proposed in Congress to raise gas prices to about $8.00 (or maybe it was $8.00 more?). From what I gathered, the reasoning behind it is that alternative energy sources will be switched to quicker because of the pressure.

Personally, I think thats really stupid because we should be switching to alternatives as I'm typing this anyways. People shouldn't be forced to switch to alternatives because they're paying too much for gas, they should be switching because they should be educated as to why we need to switch. The problem with that, however, is that whoever does the educating can put their own spin on it.

So I don't know, it all seems just screwed up. I do know that we do need to get off of oil asap. I don't think that raising gas prices astronomically is the best way to start.
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Its more in the UK.
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I know what you mean but this should probably be in the Politics thread.
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I think higher cost is more of an incentive for a lot more people as opposed to "we should change cuz its better for the environment". Lots of people still don't give a rats arse about the state of the planet.
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Half the price as it is here in Britain.
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First things first, I don't want to hear a word about how its more in the U.K. I think we all know that by now and thats not what this thread is about so if theres one post about it I'll be obliged to delete this thread.

I just saw on the news this new bill that is supposedly being proposed in Congress to raise gas prices to about $8.00 (or maybe it was $8.00 more?). From what I gathered, the reasoning behind it is that alternative energy sources will be switched to quicker because of the pressure.

Personally, I think thats really stupid because we should be switching to alternatives as I'm typing this anyways.
People shouldn't be forced to switch to alternatives because they're paying too much for gas, they should be switching because they should be educated as to why we need to switch. The problem with that, however, is that whoever does the educating can put their own spin on it.

So I don't know, it all seems just screwed up. I do know that we do need to get off of oil asap. I don't think that raising gas prices astronomically is the best way to start.


But we aren't. If it were raised to $8 and the additional $4 per gallon of tax money went to alternative fuels, that would be a massive step in the right direction.

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For those of you who are uninformed, the raise in price would almost entirely be for the gas tax, which the extra gains from would then go towards alternative fuels. It wouldn't change the profit that oil businesses already get. It would be a good idea.
#13
What about everyone who can't afford a car that does not run on gas?

It needs to be a gradual thing, then they have to make all new models eco friendly, and on;ly after 10 or 15 years, where most people would be able to afford the new type, they could do that.
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But we aren't. If it were raised to $8 and the additional $4 per gallon of tax money went to alternative fuels, that would be a massive step in the right direction.

Learn politics.


Aside from the bitchy "learn politics" at the end, that's a damn good point, and hopefully the reasoning behind the proposed bill in congress.
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Did you hear on the British news about how British protests due to the rise in British petrol prices have occurred? British lorry drivers in Britain have cause giant British protests all over Britain by blocking up the British roads because the British prices of diesel in Britain were too high, because the current British government had too much tax on British fuel.


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hm. i don't really think it is that urgent to get off oil this quickly, and i absolutely find this solution ridiculous. i think it would be more important to stabilize the prices and work things out with foreign oil companies to get it at cheaper prices that don't **** us over. technology is not at the height it would need to be to switch off of oil just yet. hybrid cars and that type of thing are still far too expensive. if the government is this interested in getting America off of the oil standard, maybe they should find a way to produce cheaper hybrids or provide rebates for those who purchase more fuel efficient cars. that would make the idea of a fuel efficient car more appealing, and the people would most likely shift in that direction on their own, without being forced into it. on a more important note: hybrid cars look ****ty.


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#20
WOW. The reason we aren't switching to alternative fuels is NOT because the public doesn't think it's necessary, it's because the ****ing LOBBYISTS are keeping politicians' pockets stuffed so that they can keep selling gasoline as long as they can. there's ALREADY a public outcry for a change, but nothing can be done about it until this 'representative democracy' takes its head out of its ass.
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What about everyone who can't afford a car that does not run on gas?

It needs to be a gradual thing, then they have to make all new models eco friendly, and on;ly after 10 or 15 years, where most people would be able to afford the new type, they could do that.


Thats the exact point of raising gas prices, so alternative fuels and alternative vehicles become cheaper.
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pfft, it's still about half the price it is here in Germany

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Personally, I think thats really stupid because we should be switching to alternatives as I'm typing this anyways. People shouldn't be forced to switch to alternatives because they're paying too much for gas, they should be switching because they should be educated as to why we need to switch. The problem with that, however, is that whoever does the educating can put their own spin on it.


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But we aren't. If it were raised to $8 and the additional $4 per gallon of tax money went to alternative fuels, that would be a massive step in the right direction.

Learn politics.

This man speaks the truth.
If the other 4 dollars went to say, the oil companies though, then it would be a major step in the wrong direction.
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its getting LOTS higher everyday in Belgium


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I got my license about 3.5 years ago, one liter was around 1.15€, and that was considered high. Now it's over 1.50€

1 gallon = 3.79 liters, dollar's poor value doesn't count in this so it's around $5.7 per gallon in here.
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#27
It costs more in Ireland
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Britain is small and you dant need to drive, you can just take the subway or a train.
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What difference does it make? Even when they get alternative energy, all cars that run on fossil fuel aren't going to just disappear, and the vast majority of Americans probably won't be able to afford cars that run on alternative fuels.
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Britain is small and you dant need to drive, you can just take the subway or a train.

Our train system is pricey and unreliable. People still need to drive in the UK to do daily business just like every American.
#31
You are misinformed. Supply and Demand economics controls the price of gas. Bills passed through Congress have practically nothing to do with the price you pay at the pump, yet.

The bills in particular that are in congress right now are in regards to the tax of gas. The proposed bill is suggesting removing the gas tax this summer, to "give the hard working americans a break."

The bill in question is bullcrap. It is an idea made up by the Presidential candidates to get the people on their side, the idea originated from Hillary Clinton. I have not read of one congressmember who supports the gas tax break, seeing as it will hurt the national income and ultimately lead to higher gas prices.

Seriously, a "bill" that makes the price of gas $8.00 a gallon? Go learn some economics before posting.
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Its more in the UK.

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Personally I like having cheaper gas prices here.

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What difference does it make? Even when they get alternative energy, all cars that run on fossil fuel aren't going to just disappear, and the vast majority of Americans probably won't be able to afford cars that run on alternative fuels.

That's why it'll be a slow, gradual process.
If oil prices continue to go up it could be more cost effective to switch to an electric car or hydrogen car

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I can stop this argument right now by stating that there is no way in hell Congress would raise gas prices. Obama is already having trouble with blue-collar voters, and raising gas prices wouldn't exactly endear the democratic party to that constituency...or any constituency for that matter. Not to mention that any bill this retarded would get vetoed by Bush instantly.
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I can stop this argument right now by stating that there is no way in hell Congress would raise gas prices. Obama is already having trouble with blue-collar voters, and raising gas prices wouldn't exactly endear the democratic party to that constituency...or any constituency for that matter. Not to mention that any bill this retarded would get vetoed by Bush instantly.

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I can stop this argument right now by stating that there is no way in hell Congress would raise gas prices. Obama is already having trouble with blue-collar voters, and raising gas prices wouldn't exactly endear the democratic party to that constituency...or any constituency for that matter. Not to mention that any bill this retarded would get vetoed by Bush instantly.


This is true.

Whoever told the TS that this bill was happening needs some serious education in the ways of both

1- Economics, so you'd know that gas prices have nearly nothing to do with Congress.

2- Government, as Congress can't pass the bill without bush in the first place.


This whole thread is a fluke.
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There was a bit on the Colbert Report a couple weeks ago about how Exxon Mobil made $1,300 a second last year. "It may sound like a lot, but it's an awfully unlucky number of 100s."
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This is true.

Whoever told the TS that this bill was happening needs some serious education in the ways of both

1- Economics, so you'd know that gas prices have nearly nothing to do with Congress.

2- Government, as Congress can't pass the bill without bush in the first place.


This whole thread is a fluke.


QFT... although theoretically Congress could say "fuck you" to Bush and ratify it over his veto, but they'd need a 2/3 majority, and I believe the Senate is 51-50 Democrat-Republican right now, or something similar.
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You think thats bad!?!? We have the highest pirce of petrol/diesel in the whole of the U.K!
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