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We are customers. The government wants us alive to further the economy. Taxes, TV, cars, gas, insurance: What we exist for and continue the existence of. I don't disqualify their benefit, but is it not my right to decide if I want my money saved for me later? Yes, I support individual rights. Let marijuana be legalized. Let gays get married. Lower the drinking age.

What's wrong with that?

Here's a fine idea: Legalize marijuana. Perhaps have an age restriction or area restriction out of courtesy. Take all the money we put in to prevent smuggling marijuana, to investigate drug cases and to train drug-sniffing dogs (a very short list of things the government wastes money on to ineffectually ban cannabis) and put it INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM so we can give kids better educations, and, hey, maybe give them and UNBIASED LECTURE on the positives and negatives of presently-illicit drug use. Explain to me how this is wrong. Why is it not my right to choose not to wear my seatbelt while driving (not that I would... wear your seatbelt) as long as I'm aware of what I'm risking? Why not get rid of the seatbelt law and stop wasting the both the police force's and the unbuckled citizen's time when you see the cop ticketing said unbuckled citizen and direct the cop to stopping a real crime... such as drunk driving. That's where the end of individual rights is- it's my right to go get drunk, it's not my right to risk harming someone else needlessly.


Am I wrong? Let me know what you think please.
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It sounds like you're just a bitchy teenager who wants to get drunk and smoke pot.

This.
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I agree that legalizing pot would probably save money in the long run, but seatbelts are good dude. I was in an accident and it saved my life. I know it should be personal preference, but they are helpful.
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Yes. Legalize pot. That would solve all of our problems.


It wouldn't not solve no problems.

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I think the Seatbelt laws are BS too. I think that you should have the right to do whatever you want, until it harms others rights...

Of course I always wear my seatbelt though, its just stupid not too :P
#11
...So your parents busted you stash or something?

Write a letter to your Congressmen, I'm sure he will be more than willing to help you.

I'm not against your idea, but the fact of the matter is the police don't even know what happens to drugs they take from people and send to the government. My guess is they give it to big dealers and it goes right back into the public. Officers keep getting bonuses for drug busts and the Feds can keep making examples out of raging potheads like you. And those that don't get caught are the ones sitting on the internet stoned out of thier minds bitching about "Pothead's Rights" on the internet, so cops don't even bother.

Cops know you, they know who you buy from, and they know where your guy gets his stuff. If they bust the dealer, they will stop making drug busts, thats why people like you are arrested every single day.

It's all about money and giving the media something to bitch about.
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#12
Not GET RID of seat belts. I would never ever go without wearing one. Give people the choice and hold them accountable for their actions. Direct criminal investigation to something that is a real crime. Hurting yourself is a choice within our rights, but hurting someone else is not.
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Yes. Legalize pot. That would solve all of our problems.

It would solve money problems and keep many people put of jail.
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It sounds like you're just a bitchy teenager who wants to get drunk and smoke pot.
Wow, that totally makes the TS's argument less valid.
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And I don't party either. We can argue this from an economic standpoint, rather than an individualistic one, if you prefer.
#16
I like how because I mentioned legalizing pot I'm automatically a stoner, even though I mention getting rid of the seat belt law but I wear my seatbelt.
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I like how because I mentioned legalizing pot I'm automatically a stoner, even though I mention getting rid of the seat belt law but I wear my seatbelt.



Why do you care about seat belt laws if you are going to wear one anyways?
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Why do you care about seat belt laws if you are going to wear one anyways?


I care about the choice. And I care about rights. And I care about the murder that could have been prevented while all the cops are on duty on the highway making sure people don't go without a seatbelt.
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Am I wrong? Let me know what you think please.
I would go further and say legalize all drugs.
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I care about the choice. And I care about rights. And I care about the murder that could have been prevented while all the cops are on duty on the highway making sure people don't go without a seatbelt.



You make it sound like seatbelt laws are at a higher priority than murder. There are many many more cops working crimes like murder than writing tickets. Getting rid of minor laws like pot and seat belt laws (which are there for your safety, it's not hurting you ) might not even accomplish anything other than putting cops out of work because they wouldn't need as many people to enfore laws.

Also, not all murder is preventable. You can't blame the police for something that may not be their fault.
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I would go further and say legalize all drugs.


Yes, me too. I'm just using pot as an example.
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Government-Society relationship and Consumer-Supplier relationship are two different things. They're not analogous.

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You make it sound like seatbelt laws are at a higher priority than murder. There are many many more cops working crimes like murder than writing tickets. Getting rid of minor laws like pot and seat belt laws (which are there for your safety, it's not hurting you ) might not even accomplish anything other than putting cops out of work because they wouldn't need as many people to enfore laws.


What I mean is that we could put that money we spent on enforcing these laws and further educate kids on the consequences of such actions as not wearing your seat belt or of smoking, or put that money into our country's cash flow and help the economy, all while giving people more freedom.
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Government-Society relationship and Consumer-Supplier relationship are two different things. They're not analogous.


All I'm saying is the guys who get drugs into the country are 1 of 2 things. A guy from another country smuggling drugs, or "A guy from another country smuggling drugs".


The more people busted for drugs, the better cops and the Feds look. They couldnt do that if they busted all the dealers as soon as they found out who they were. If that were the case, the 80's would have seen the last of large-scale drug trafficing.

When it comes to a dirty and illegal business like drugs, the government can go ahead and be dirty and illegal to help it continue. I don't care what kind of sociology you know, government can, and freely does, control the amount of drugs on the street. Period.
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Government-Society relationship and Consumer-Supplier relationship are two different things. They're not analogous.


Or are they? At least indirectly. Think of sales taxes and pretty much any other tax. The more you buy or own, the more the govt makes. If nobody buys anything, the govt is definitely affected.
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All I'm saying is the guys who get drugs into the country are 1 of 2 things. A guy from another country smuggling drugs, or "A guy from another country smuggling drugs".


The more people busted for drugs, the better cops and the Feds look. They couldnt do that if they busted all the dealers as soon as they found out who they were. If that were the case, the 80's would have seen the last of large-scale drug trafficing.

When it comes to a dirty and illegal business like drugs, the government can go ahead and be dirty and illegal to help it continue. I don't care what kind of sociology you know, government can, and freely does, control the amount of drugs on the street.

That wasn't directed at you.

The TS attempted to liken the government as a supplier and society as a consumer and that if there's a market for something, the government needs to comply. No, it doesn't work like that.

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Or are they? At least indirectly.

Nope.

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Or are they? At least indirectly. Think of sales taxes and pretty much any other tax. The more you buy or own, the more the govt makes. If nobody buys anything, the govt is definitely affected.


Agreed.

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When it comes to a dirty and illegal business like drugs, the government can go ahead and be dirty and illegal to help it continue. I don't care what kind of sociology you know, government can, and freely does, control the amount of drugs on the street. Period.


Agreed. They can, but should they?
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That wasn't directed at you.

The TS attempted to liken the government as a supplier and society as a consumer and that if there's a market for something, the government needs to comply. No, it doesn't work like that.


Nope.



Ah I see. Sorry about that, dude.

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Agreed.


Agreed. They can, but should they?



Of coarse not. They shouldn't have created the North American Union, The Federal Reserve, RFID Drivers Liscences (The new chipped DLs as of this month, and you probably know someone by now who has one), or any of that ****. The United States Government *almost* ALWAYS has a much broader agenda for everything they do.
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We are customers. The government wants us alive to further the economy. Taxes, TV, cars, gas, insurance: What we exist for and continue the existence of.
The only way I can see that being the case is through taxes of drugs. Or if the government became the sole supplier of drugs.
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#32
i stopped at "legalize marijuana".

not that i disagree, unnecessarily, it just destroys any kind of respect i would have for your point, or any weight with which i would weigh your opinion.

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abolish the government.

and right on with that TS post in the beginning raised some good points.

about legalizing all drugs...if somebody wants to use drugs they will. the people that dont do drugs arent clean because drugs are illegal, they are clean because they dont want to use them. so why not make it legal. stoners are very peaceful people they dont deserve to be in jail.

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We are customers. The government wants us alive to further the economy. Taxes, TV, cars, gas, insurance: What we exist for and continue the existence of. I don't disqualify their benefit, but is it not my right to decide if I want my money saved for me later? Yes, I support individual rights. Let marijuana be legalized. Let gays get married. Lower the drinking age.

What's wrong with that?

Here's a fine idea: Legalize marijuana. Perhaps have an age restriction or area restriction out of courtesy. Take all the money we put in to prevent smuggling marijuana, to investigate drug cases and to train drug-sniffing dogs (a very short list of things the government wastes money on to ineffectually ban cannabis) and put it INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM so we can give kids better educations, and, hey, maybe give them and UNBIASED LECTURE on the positives and negatives of presently-illicit drug use. Explain to me how this is wrong. Why is it not my right to choose not to wear my seatbelt while driving (not that I would... wear your seatbelt) as long as I'm aware of what I'm risking? Why not get rid of the seatbelt law and stop wasting the both the police force's and the unbuckled citizen's time when you see the cop ticketing said unbuckled citizen and direct the cop to stopping a real crime... such as drunk driving. That's where the end of individual rights is- it's my right to go get drunk, it's not my right to risk harming someone else needlessly.


Am I wrong? Let me know what you think please.


Yes it makes perfect sense, but it will never happen..... why?

Firstly governments dont want the liberal image that comes with legalising pot.. thinking its somehow sleazy.

Secondly once its legalised the government will have an extremely hard time instagating it.By which I mean stopping the suply of pot from criminal gangs.If they cant do it when its illegal they certainly wont when its legal.

Besides what does it matter?
Its not that difficult to get hold of, or to do either.
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yea right, mary jane would be total hell if legalized, imagine it. what happens after something goes wrong in a bar? people get hurt or killed, so you legalize this crap and you get another alcohol. more people in that ridiculous state of mind, where everything is funny to them and they trip and laugh, yeah thats great. i want to see that everywhere i go. other countries can get away with it because of there strict government. here we have a very loose government. YEAH WE DO! its true, go somewhere else and come back, here with all our freedom things would go terribly wrong. economy would fail miserably because of all the pot being bought, we have cigs that put people in dept all the time. for those who stay clean we would have to pay for the pot too, because of all the stupid mistakes people make when high....theres a reason why they have drug tests at employment departments.
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Quote by Spl!nTeRgu!tAr
...So your parents busted you stash or something?

Write a letter to your Congressmen, I'm sure he will be more than willing to help you.

I'm not against your idea, but the fact of the matter is the police don't even know what happens to drugs they take from people and send to the government. My guess is they give it to big dealers and it goes right back into the public. Officers keep getting bonuses for drug busts and the Feds can keep making examples out of raging potheads like you. And those that don't get caught are the ones sitting on the internet stoned out of thier minds bitching about "Pothead's Rights" on the internet, so cops don't even bother.

Cops know you, they know who you buy from, and they know where your guy gets his stuff. If they bust the dealer, they will stop making drug busts, thats why people like you are arrested every single day.

It's all about money and giving the media something to bitch about.

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yea right, mary jane would be total hell if legalized, imagine it. what happens after something goes wrong in a bar? people get hurt or killed, so you legalize this crap and you get another alcohol. more people in that ridiculous state of mind, where everything is funny to them and they trip and laugh, yeah thats great. i want to see that everywhere i go. other countries can get away with it because of there strict government. here we have a very loose government. YEAH WE DO! its true, go somewhere else and come back, here with all our freedom things would go terribly wrong. economy would fail miserably because of all the pot being bought, we have cigs that put people in dept all the time. for those who stay clean we would have to pay for the pot too, because of all the stupid mistakes people make when high....theres a reason why they have drug tests at employment departments.



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