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#2
they all suck. haha. get a fender MIM
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#3
Not personally, Steve Rothery from Marrilion played Squires for years though. Of course, they were older models made out of real wood (not plywood) and he installed Kahler tremolos and EMG pickups in his guitars. He has great tone!
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#4
If you mod it out correctly it could be a really good guitar

but in the end its usually not worth it unfortunately.
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#5
That doesn't sound like a very good idea. You're still stuck with crappy wood. You could probably get it to epiphone status, but wasting good pickups and good tremolo (I REALLY hope you don't put an OFR in a Squier) would be a waste.
#6
Quote by qstionauthority
That doesn't sound like a very good idea. You're still stuck with crappy wood. You could probably get it to epiphone status, but wasting good pickups and good tremolo (I REALLY hope you don't put an OFR in a Squier) would be a waste.


affinity series is alder body, and maple neck

and i wouldn't put an ofr on it - suck the tone out. strats were made for normal trems, and with some locking tuners and a well lubricated nut i dont see why it wouldn't stay in tune.
#8
i would go with a fender because i was looking at a squier stratocaster and a fender stratocaster and i went to the store and played them and the fender was much better then the squier but that is just my opinoin.
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#9
well the plan was this (so everyone can see where i'm going with this)

get normal affinity strat £100
take everything off it
shield the pickguard/ control cavity
change the pots
rewire with some decent wire £20 (above 3 points)
replace bridge pup with a hotter true single coil £50
brass nut £5
better tuners £30
strap locks £15
give full set up (dress frets, stone frets, polish down, set truss, set action, set up bridge)
play

full cost - less than £250
#11
Quote by CobenBlack
affinity series is alder body, and maple neck

and i wouldn't put an ofr on it - suck the tone out. strats were made for normal trems, and with some locking tuners and a well lubricated nut i dont see why it wouldn't stay in tune.

Apparently you've never played a guitar with a floyd rose. They don't suck the tone out. What are you talking about?
#13
well they definitely change the tone, whether you like/ dislike the change is a matter of opinion. I think they sound great.
#15
Quote by CobenBlack
well the plan was this (so everyone can see where i'm going with this)

get normal affinity strat £100
take everything off it
shield the pickguard/ control cavity
change the pots
rewire with some decent wire £20 (above 3 points)
replace bridge pup with a hotter true single coil £50
brass nut £5
better tuners £30
strap locks £15
give full set up (dress frets, stone frets, polish down, set truss, set action, set up bridge)
play

full cost - less than £250




you can have a MIM strat for an extra £30 or a used one for £50 less
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#16
yes it can be done for around 250 and a strat isnt much mor but after the mods it will b better than a basic fender, so by all means go for it, whe i have finished my EVH build im gonna look into gting my hand on a squier and doing it up so it can play brutal metal
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#17
replace all the pickups not just 1
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#18
Quote by Jimbleton
yes it can be done for around 250 and a strat isnt much mor but after the mods it will b better than a basic fender, so by all means go for it, whe i have finished my EVH build im gonna look into gting my hand on a squier and doing it up so it can play brutal metal


that list up there doesnt cover middle or neck pups, or the trem/bridge

oh, and after all that, itll still have inferior wood and construction.

its a lovely idea, but a good guitar has to be good from the very start IMO
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Quote by Jimbleton
yes it can be done for around 250 and a strat isnt much mor but after the mods it will b better than a basic fender, so by all means go for it, whe i have finished my EVH build im gonna look into gting my hand on a squier and doing it up so it can play brutal metal


nice - i'll look out for your thread if your gonna put it up about it

and to the people who say i could get a mexico strat for cheaper used and not much more otherwise, yes i could, but it wouldn't be shielded, it wouldn't have a decent bridge pup, and thats far too easy - stupidity runs in my family. its a dominant gene from my dads side
#21
Quote by CobenBlack
nice - i'll look out for your thread if your gonna put it up about it

and to the people who say i could get a mexico strat for cheaper used and not much more otherwise, yes i could, but it wouldn't be shielded, it wouldn't have a decent bridge pup, and thats far too easy - stupidity runs in my family. its a dominant gene from my dads side


to fully shield the cavity would cost a tiny amount. like £5 topps.

if all you want is a new bridge pup, you can have exactly the one youre putting in the hypothetical squier, because oh look, youre £50 up because you bought a superior instrument, used
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#22
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
that list up there doesnt cover middle or neck pups, or the trem/bridge

oh, and after all that, itll still have inferior wood and construction.


there is a very good reason why it doesn't cover the middle pup or the neck pup - im not going to change them

i like my neck pickups to be fairly low output and the usual squier ones have pretty much that sort of deal, and i dont really use the middle pickup much. the only one that doesn't fit what i do is the bridge which i like the be fairly hot for rhythm stuff, and so that would need to be changed.

and i dont see why it would have inferior wood construction. if its alder and maple then its the same type of wood, and though it wont be quartersawn i dont believe many fenders have qs necks. this is the reason im going to be playing first though, so i can find one thats as close to qs as poss, and fairly resonant.
#23
Quote by CobenBlack
nice - i'll look out for your thread if your gonna put it up about it

and to the people who say i could get a mexico strat for cheaper used and not much more otherwise, yes i could, but it wouldn't be shielded, it wouldn't have a decent bridge pup, and thats far too easy - stupidity runs in my family. its a dominant gene from my dads side

At least you acknowledge that you're an idiot.
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nice - i'll look out for your thread if your gonna put it up about it

and to the people who say i could get a mexico strat for cheaper used and not much more otherwise, yes i could, but it wouldn't be shielded, it wouldn't have a decent bridge pup, and thats far too easy - stupidity runs in my family. its a dominant gene from my dads side


yeah, im gonna start my EVH build in 24 days as soon as my exams are over.
and once that is done ill makea thread about it so all the pics can be posted at once,

then im gnna try get hold of a telecaster and "John 5" it, make it good for metal, im thinkig EMGs or DiMarzios and maybe a kahler trem, dunno, might keep it true to tele style with hard tail
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#26
Quote by stevo_epi_SG_wo
to fully shield the cavity would cost a tiny amount. like £5 topps.

if all you want is a new bridge pup, you can have exactly the one youre putting in the hypothetical squier, because oh look, youre £50 up because you bought a superior instrument, used


i have to buy a soldering iron

and mexican strats aren't fully shielded

and seymour duncan bridge pup £50 is better than used mexican strat bridge pup

ah - just re read that post, i see what you mean about the pup. i'll just have to use the stupidity argument again
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#27
Quote by Jimbleton
yeah, im gonna start my EVH build in 24 days as soon as my exams are over.
and once that is done ill makea thread about it so all the pics can be posted at once,

then im gnna try get hold of a telecaster and "John 5" it, make it good for metal, im thinkig EMGs or DiMarzios and maybe a kahler trem, dunno, might keep it true to tele style with hard tail


sounds sweet, i'll check it out
#28
Quote by CobenBlack
and i dont see why it would have inferior wood construction. if its alder and maple then its the same type of wood, and though it wont be quartersawn i dont believe many fenders have qs necks. this is the reason im going to be playing first though, so i can find one thats as close to qs as poss, and fairly resonant.

Doesn't exist. I have a good experience with Squiers, and I've never seen one that's made of under 5 pieces of wood. It's plywood; that's all. You'll be much better off in the long run buying a Mexican strat that's made with superior materials.

Also note that a Squier is constructed differently. You'll have a narrower nut width, lower grade neck, cheaper fretboard wood, etc. Fundamental things that you couldn't change without losing your money, whereas you could simply buy a Mexican strat and make the changes you want, and still have a rock-solid guitar with a good resale value.
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#29
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Doesn't exist. I have a good experience with Squiers, and I've never seen one that's made of under 5 pieces of wood. It's plywood; that's all. You'll be much better off in the long run buying a Mexican strat that's made with superior materials.


i understand that you are trying to give me good advice, but i disagree with your - its plywood argument.
#30
Remember modding should not be undertaken only to try and gain a good instrument for less than what you could buy off the shelf.

When modding you have to spend a lot to get a really good instrument that would be better than any shop bought thing.


Modding and all building should be undertaken to gain exerience in the art and also for the love of it. It's fun, buying guitars off the shelf is indeed fun, but you don't get the same satisfaction. There are many aspects to guitar modding and building, some servely overlooked....



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#31
Quote by CobenBlack
i understand that you are trying to give me good advice, but i disagree with your - its plywood argument.

I'm sorry, but it's fact. And the fact is, it will hold absolutely no resale value. You're literally pissing money away.

Edit: I don't care, but I'm just letting you know you'll regret it in the long run. In ten years, it's going to be firewood.
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#32
Quote by Chad48309
Doesn't exist. I have a good experience with Squiers, and I've never seen one that's made of under 5 pieces of wood. It's plywood; that's all..

That's odd. I've had 2, 3, 4, and 5 piece Squier bodies.
#33
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That's odd. I've had 2, 3, 4, and 5 piece Squier bodies.

Haven't seen one for the past six years, and I've stripped probably twenty-five at the behest of the customer.

Edit: all of whom were terribly, terribly disappointed and immediately asked me to cover it up with a paint job.
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#36
On the bass forum, alot of folk have said they really like the vintage modified squier jazz bass. some of them said it's actually better then some of the real fenders i think.
#37
Quote by CobenBlack
same deal with bridge - i dont use it much, and with a better nut and properly lubricated, i dont see that it will be that bad. if it is . . . i'll sort that when i get to it


you dont use the bridge much? its always there and unless you get a good replacement itll allways be crap

Quote by Dookie_1988
Remember modding should not be undertaken only to try and gain a good instrument for less than what you could buy off the shelf.

When modding you have to spend a lot to get a really good instrument that would be better than any shop bought thing.


this is very very true

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On the bass forum, alot of folk have said they really like the vintage modified squier jazz bass. some of them said it's actually better then some of the real fenders i think.


the VM basses are pretty solid, the affinity strats...are not

TS: a used lite ash strat might be a good starting point. theyre made in korea so theyre the cheapest strat out there pretty much, yet theyre made of nice wood, you can replace all the crap bits yourself and have a great strat
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#38
^I love the VM Squier Jazz Bass.

Squiers are funny. You can get nice ones, or ****ty ones (refering to neck and body). They're certainly fun for using to learn about guitar repair, and if you're one of the many guitarists who's first guitar was a Squier, and now it just sits in your closet...you're even saving the initial $200 investment.

Squiers are under rated, coming from a guy who has owned Japanese Fenders, Mexican Fenders, Korean Squiers, Japanese Squiers, and even a Gibson.
#39
Quote by Dookie_1988
Remember modding should not be undertaken only to try and gain a good instrument for less than what you could buy off the shelf.

When modding you have to spend a lot to get a really good instrument that would be better than any shop bought thing.


Modding and all building should be undertaken to gain exerience in the art and also for the love of it. It's fun, buying guitars off the shelf is indeed fun, but you don't get the same satisfaction. There are many aspects to guitar modding and building, some servely overlooked....



- Rich

So true, because once the modding bug bites you hard, you can't stop.

There are inexpensive mods that can make your Affinity Squier way better and to keep it within a certain or modest budget requires patience and eBay savvy.

A nut replacement, simple fret dressing, and a decent set-up will do wonders. $2 for the bone nut.

Going a step further, there are tons of name brand PUs that you can get for cheap on evilBay. Keep monitoring your watched items and snipe during the last 5 seconds. I have a bunch of DMs, SDs, Lace Sensors, BBs, '57/'62s, etc. bought for cheap, no reserve.

The same thing applies with replacing the puny Squier bridge with a 2007 or later MIM bridge with the solid trem block. The most I've spent was $20 with shipping.

If the Fender logo in the headstock is important to you, you can usually get one for $50 if you're patient.

Duplicolor acrylic paint is also cheap if you want to go that route.

As already pointed out, it probably doesn't make sense to do a transparent finish on a 5-piece Alder body; however, you can derive some sonic awesomeness from a decently-assembled Squier with modest upgrades. BTW, you can get a Fender wiring harness (pots and switch) for $.99 + shipping ... they're all over, just look for the no reserve auctions.

Good Luck! I love Squiers as much as my other guitars!

#40
Most new squiers are made with alder or poplar but there are a few that are made with plywood and MDF. If the squier is plywood or MDF then it's never going to be great. On the other hand, a solid wood squier with new electronics and a good setup can sound as good or better than a stock made in America Fender.
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