#1
So you guys in the UK have probably watched Derren Browns new channel 4 show 'Trick or Treat'. Well I was watching it with my friend the other week, and Derren was teaching this woman various escape techniques for 3 weeks.

Now, I've never questioned any of his work before, but this woman was tied up with gaffa tape and cable ties, put in a sack and thrown into a river and managed to escape within a reasonable time limit. Anyone who knows about cable ties knows they are a bitch to get off and she did it with no other materials to help her. Right...

My friend was convinced it was fake, but I'm still in two minds about it. So I just wondered what UG thinks.
#3
It's real. Most of the stuff is made to look cleverer than it actually is though.


He's still got skillz.
#4
I never trust things like that on television. Its all just camera trickery and cheating in my opinion.

Plus he's a dickhead.
#5
Don't question Derren Brown... that's like questioning Chuck Norris's br00tal skills
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#6
Derren Brown is the second Jesus.
I believe it, simply from everything else he's done. If it was some random, then okay, I'd be very skeptical.
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I never trust things like that on television. Its all just camera trickery and cheating in my opinion.

Plus he's a dickhead.


+1, specially that Criss Angel ****.

Copperfield on the other hand is a genius, but also a fraud.
#10
"Derren Brown is a unique force in the world of illusion - he can seemingly predict and control human behaviour."

from his website.

no magician claims to have magic abilities.
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He has said that he uses a mix of psychology, showmanship, sleight of hand, illusionetc etc for his shows. But he doesn't cheat because that would defeat the purpose of what he wants to do.


i've gotta go with delirium on this one, it's all real to an extent, the only time he bull****s you is when he explains how he does something.
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"Derren Brown is a unique force in the world of illusion - he can seemingly predict and control human behaviour."

from his website.

no magician claims to have magic abilities.


I haven't seen much of Derren Brown, but for exemple Criss Angel always admits he has no magical powers, but then he turns a 3 year old girl into an 18 year old girl. That's really dumb, it's either camera work or magic, but magic doesn't exist, so it's pretty obvious it's just effects. He can either learn better tricks or stfu.

Edit: Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5f8X2zjgxk

He's also a peado
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He has said that he uses a mix of psychology, showmanship, sleight of hand, illusionetc etc for his shows. But he doesn't cheat because that would defeat the purpose of what he wants to do.

What? surley his purpose is to get people to watch his shows.
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#18
He says it himself, he uses a mixture of magic, showmanship, misdirection and psychology.

He's occasionally dishonest but he's honest about being dishonest

If you watch that particular one, they show two divers surfacing after she walks off. Either they were safety guys or they helped unlock her.

Either way, he went through the trouble of showing them on camera on purpose to let you make up your own mind.


Although as he mentions in his book, people have a habit of remembering things to be more impressive than they actually were.
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I haven't seen much of Derren Brown, but for exemple Criss Angel always admits he has no magical powers, but then he turns a 3 year old girl into an 18 year old girl. That's really dumb, it's either camera work or magic, but magic doesn't exist, so it's pretty obvious it's just effects. He can either learn better tricks or stfu.

or it's an illusion.

he makes something that appears impossible happen.
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I haven't seen much of Derren Brown, but for exemple Criss Angel always admits he has no magical powers, but then he turns a 3 year old girl into an 18 year old girl. That's really dumb, it's either camera work or magic, but magic doesn't exist, so it's pretty obvious it's just effects. He can either learn better tricks or stfu.


If it's "live" camera work on tv, then that's acceptable. He all know magic isn't real. Camera has allowed the advent of new tricks, in a way kind of similar to mirrors. Like when David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear live on TV.
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What? surley his purpose is to get people to watch his shows.

At the end of most of his live shows he actually has a discussion with the crowd about how he did some of the things he showed them.

Obviously he doesn't show them everything, he needs a job, but he likes people to be sceptical and be able to see things for what they really are.
#22
I don't know anything about Derren Brown since I live on the other side of the pond, but if he's anything like Criss Angel he's obviously full of it. Look up Criss Angel on youtube. It's a wonder no one's used the fact that people actually believe the guy as evidence of American stupidity. That's not an offer to use the fact that people actually believe the guy as evidence of American stupidity, by the way. I happen to live in stupid America.
#23
I like the way he pretty much actively promotes the fact what he does is elaborate trickery.

But I still hate the cunt. Seriously, what a smug faced little git.

Also, stop the Chris Angel comparisons, there are no similarities whatsoever.
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Also, stop the Chris Angel comparisons, there are no similarities whatsoever.


I wasn't necessarily comparing them. I was just saying that I don't know anything about Derren Brown and that if he's like Criss Angel he's a fraud. It wasn't really a comparison as much as it was a guess as to what the guy is like.
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I wasn't necessarily comparing them. I was just saying that I don't know anything about Derren Brown and that if he's like Criss Angel he's a fraud. It wasn't really a comparison as much as it was a guess as to what the guy is like.

Youtube Derren Brown and see some of his stuff.

Especially the dream one and the zombie one.
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I wasn't necessarily comparing them. I was just saying that I don't know anything about Derren Brown and that if he's like Criss Angel he's a fraud. It wasn't really a comparison as much as it was a guess as to what the guy is like.

Oh, I didn't mean you in particular. There were a few above you saying "Liek Crissz Angel", and I was like "Wat."
#28
I just watched the clips of his show, and they are most definitely real, or as real as magic is supposed to be. Guys, it is a TV show, its not supposed to be "real". Its real magic, though.
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I wasn't necessarily comparing them. I was just saying that I don't know anything about Derren Brown and that if he's like Criss Angel he's a fraud. It wasn't really a comparison as much as it was a guess as to what the guy is like.

how are they frauds?

they openly admit that what they're doing isn't what it appears to be.

it's in the name ffs. illusionist

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#30
My friend and i used to watch his shows religiously.

But since discovering Derren was gay my friend, as he put it, 'lost all respect for him'...
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#31
The thing is, Derren said this time that she DID escape without his help and lead his audience to believe that it was genuine.
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Criss Angel doesn't produce a false or misleading impression of reality. He pays actors to stand in his audience and uses camera tricks to make it appear as though as he's performing magic tricks and stunts. The use of camera tricks does create a false impression of reality, yes, but Criss Angel himself has nothing to do with the camera tricks. He does not create the illusions so he is not an illusionist. However, he calls himself one. This constitutes fraud. Have a nice day.
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Criss Angel doesn't produce a false or misleading impression of reality. He pays actors to stand in his audience and uses camera tricks to make it appear as though as he's performing magic tricks and stunts. The use of camera tricks does create a false impression of reality, yes, but Criss Angel himself has nothing to do with the camera tricks. He does not create the illusions so he is not an illusionist. However, he calls himself one. This constitutes fraud. Have a nice day.

does he organise the implementation of/bring about an illusion?

then surely he's an illusionist.

also, the bolded part.

you don't have to like his methods (I don't) but he still creates an illusion.
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does he organise the implementation of/bring about an illusion?

then surely he's an illusionist.

also, the bolded part.

you don't have to like his methods (I don't) but he still creates an illusion.


Alright, fair enough. Point taken. We're agreed, though, his methods suck.
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Youtube Derren Brown and see some of his stuff.

Especially the dream one and the zombie one.



That the one with the arcade game?

if it is, quality
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