#1
what are the advantages and disadvantages of a whammy bar?

other than hardcore horse-like sounds can it be replaced with intense vibrato?

are they necessary for metal?
#2
No, they are not necessary, but no they cannot be replaced by intense vibrato. They allow you to bend DOWN, a very nice feature.
#3
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what are the advantages and disadvantages of a whammy bar?

other than hardcore horse-like sounds can it be replaced with intense vibrato?

are they necessary for metal?



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#4
About bending down...You can do that without a whammy bar. use your fret hand and push the neck away from you.
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#5
they don't cause problems.

If you have a floating bridge that is the problem. Tuning becomes quite frustrating and can drop easier. You then get tuning locks on your guitar if they work then great mine still let the strings drop though :@
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#6
Yeah, but it is a million times easier to use the whammy bar, and you can bend down a lot farther.
#7
Um, there are thousands of threads on whammy bars on UG. do some looking.

that said, no they are not necessary for metal.

and no they cannot be replaced by vibrato (entirely)

And also the guy before me is right about you not being able to reproduce a whammy bar with a neck bend (nor is neck bending at all good for your neck)

......and that guy quoted Disposable Heroes. and that is ****ing awesome.
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#8
Whammy bars are more for show-off kind of stuff, which is cool.
I, personally, think they're overrated.
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#9
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About bending down...You can do that without a whammy bar. use your fret hand and push the neck away from you.


That's the worst idea I've ever heard.
#10
whammy bars are amazing. christofer dahl's video lesson for nocturnal vision shows some pretty sweet stuff you can do with one. my guitar does tend to go out of tune just a little bit, but its no big issue.
#12
they're good for some players. for fixed bridge lovers like me, whammy bars and double locking bridges are a pain. they have less sustain than fixed bridges. for immediate change of tuning, you can't rely on those.
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#13
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That's the worst idea I've ever heard.


it works though and slash uses it quite a bit, the end notes om sweet child o mine are bent by doing that...


but i guess if your fairly ripped it could end in disaster

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#14
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it works though and slash uses it quite a bit, the end notes om sweet child o mine are bent by doing that...


but i guess if your fairly ripped it could end in disaster



Dude, the ending notes in that song are him DE-TUNING the sixth string. It's not just a neck bend, and yes, if you do it a lot, you'll push your neck to places you don't want it to ever go.
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#15
oh ok i thought it was because when i used to cover that song with my old band i managed to match it perectly,

meh, learn somthing new everyday

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#16
yea, you could probably do it, but I just don't want people getting misconceptions and bending their necks off! congrats on matching that though, it's a tricky one
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#17
Well everytime i did it i was scared ****less lol

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#18
hey, what's with the axe-wielding Jackson enthusiast in your sig? what does that mean?
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#19
oh its from one of the millions of genric "what guiatr" threads and it just made me laugh

its personal indulgence i guess lol

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#20
i will never in my life, deliberately bend the neck of a guitar.

doesn't that strike you as the least bit detrimental?
#21
um, yea. we kinda went over that. it is not good for your guitar if you do it consistantly.
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#22
there are a lot of stuff you can do such as dive bombs, squeals, crazy vibratos, etc... however, a floyd is a bitch to take care of.. fine tuning, string changing, little things can **** em up and **** up your guitar.. i wouldn't get a trem guitar except strat style trem, unless i am confident that i can work the floyd
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#23
Yea, I had recently to go through learning the ins and outs of a floyd, and it's definitely a bitch, but it's fun as hell to screw around with. I'm not gonna lie, probably not worth it if you are lazy or don't like messing with guitars, but I find it fun.
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#24
I like vibrola/tremolo/vibrato system tail pieces because you can vibrato on harmonics and chords. That is the only thing I use mine for (A fender style trem, I have).

Bigbys are pure secks though.
#25
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there are a lot of stuff you can do such as dive bombs, squeals, crazy vibratos, etc... however, a floyd is a bitch to take care of.. fine tuning, string changing, little things can **** em up and **** up your guitar.. i wouldn't get a trem guitar except strat style trem, unless i am confident that i can work the floyd


its not that bad to take care of the floyd. Sure it takes a little longer to change strings. lock it at the bottom and do the top.....its not bad. BUT if your really lazy......changing guitar strings is not for you. Just take it to a guitar shop and have them do it. dammmmmmmmmmn

If you get the right floyd, It'll stay in tune, as mine stays in tune great after huge dive bombs. Its unbelieveable how to stays in tune so well.
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#26
i had one on the first guitar i ever owned and being new i used the hell out of it not knowing what it could do. I still own that guitar and the neck is warped like hell. It doesn't even sound like a guitar anymore. So if you do have one use it wisely not like an idiot
#27
The main problem I have with my wammy bar is that whenever I put my guitar in it's case I have to take off the wammy bar off,so generally I don't put it back on again unless I need to.
#28
advantage: it sounds cool. damn it even looks sexy just by grabbing it.
disadvantage: none. wait there is one. overuse.

edit: sorry there are actually many more disadvantages with whammy bars. but i can find almost none with my ZRII. it's a very SAFE feature.
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#29
I remember when I was all excited about buying a guitar with a tremolo bridge. But now I don't even use the whammy bar at all. Every now and then I might push or pull on the bridge at the end of a song, but if you're not gonna use it, its kind of like paying some extra money to make tuning harder.
#30
Some of the songs I play need whammy - Muse's Knights of Cydonia, for example, is very difficult to play without some kind of non-fixed bridge. Floating trems aren't for the faint-hearted, but you can get used to them pretty easily, especially ones like the Ibanez ZR and Edge Zero, which have stabilisers toi help you restring and keep the guitar in tune if a string breaks. They're great if you do pinch harmonics, as you can lift or lower the pitch of the harmonic to get a real squeal.
It boils down to:

Advantages:
-Bend notes down
-Bend notes up easier
-Adds easy vibrtato effect
-Non-locking trems easy to set up
-Locking trems have great tuning stability
-Soon get used to setting them up
-Non-locking trems can be treated like fixed bridges if the bar is removed

Disadvantages:
-Locking trems may be daunting
-Non-locking trems don't hold their tuning well due to friction
-Extra parts to set up carefully
-Locking trems affect sustain
-Whammying may raise or lower the guitar's action causing notes to 'fret out' when whammying (not true with the ZR)

So really, the advantages and disadvantages are pretty balanced. It's a case of are you prepared to spend more time setting your guitar up for it to pay off?
Personally, I love locking trems (and the synch trem on my Strat), as it fits my music very well. Hope this helps!

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