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#1
exactly how loud is a 120 watt tube amp?
i will have a 6505+ which is 120, i just wana know a comparioson to how loud it can go.
eg train, bus, semi?

just for curiosities sake.
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#2
Deafening volumes?

It's too loud, and that's probably half of what makes it great.

Congratulations on the purchase though
#3
exactly. haha.
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#4
Well, let's put it this way...

My Mark IV is 85W and with the volume on 7, it cracked the mirror behind it.
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#5
Enough to make a person go deaf
#6
Loud enough to blow your brains away literally.

Are you kidding?, 120 watts tubes? It's not gonna be for bedroom jammin' hey?
#7
I've never put my 5150 past 4 and that was with a agressive drummer. It's loud enough.
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#8
The 100 watt lead amps were made so places like madison square gardens could be played without a PA system for the guitars. So unless you play outside in a big field or in a huge auditorium alot then you will never get to turn it up alot. At those volumes you would damage your hearing very fast. And believe me you dont want permanant ringing in the ears. its why many pros are going with smaller 50 watt amps now.
#10
Really really really loud. Like laying on a runway and having a 747 just miss you as it lands. Probably louder actually.
#11
I have a 6505 head and believe me it is way louder then you will ever need. My drummer is very aggressive and I can easily get above him with the post gain at 4.
#12
Outside and dimed....you could probably take down small planes
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#13
well IMO it's not quite loud enough, but it will usually be ok for gigs and stuff.
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Jesus...how loud do you need??
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#15
High wattage amps are made to have a massive amount of head room. Which is needed for clean playing and Metal.

Heres a perfect example of a 120 watt head used in two different manners.

Gojira- 5150 (Metal)
Volume 3

Ted Nugent- 5150 (Rock)
Volume 10

So why the difference.... Ted and most other rock guys love power tube saturation vs Gojira and other metal guys dont want power tube saturation to keep there sound tight heavy and fast.

And I have tested the thoery many times with my amp its a 120 watts with a 60 watt switch. I always keep it at 120 because the 60 watt option makes things to creamy. Now for blues or rock its great... But metal is all preamp distortion, now there are a few amps mainly mesa's that like a little power tube saturation. But for 5150/6505 and most other metal amps that is not the case...

Another example take the heaviest amp on the planet right now. The Diezel Herbert can anyone guess the wattage? 180 watts, the thing is a headroom giant, incredible cleans and the gain stages are insane...

Also 50 watts to 100 watts is only a addition of 3db so its not really as loud as you think....
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#16
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Jesus...how loud do you need??


my philosophy is that if the audiences' ears aren't bleed by the time you're done play then you're doing it wrong.

but in all seriousness IbanezPsycho is pretty much right on the mark with this one.
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and Kid_Thorazine - what are you using and why do you say 120w tube amp is not loud enough?

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+1 IbanezPsycho for detail.

Is this why some extreme metal bands prefer solid state?

and Kid_Thorazine - what are you using and why do you say 120w tube amp is not loud enough?

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Correct, SS amps stay tight no matter how much you crank them so there is no issue of power tube saturation there. Also SS and Tube amps do share a common ground in a sense when it comes to metal. Tube amps have high wattage to combat power tube saturation and SS amps have high wattage to combat clipping. Which is why you see so many 200-300+ wattage SS amps designed for metal.
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#20
My 130 watt tube amp blows small dogs away with the volume at 3.
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By high-gain I don't mean stupid stuff. I just mean styles like Motley Crue or Iron Maiden
#21
lol, I was about to say...but yeah, the clean headroom is the reason
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#22
slightly off topic;

i took the 2 outer power tubes out of my 6505+ this brings it down to 60watts, thus lowering the headroom and cutting feedback a bit - something to think about if you mostly play overdriven or high gain stuff.

doesn't half the volume though, only brings it down a few dbs.
#23
Quote by haz_uk
slightly off topic;

i took the 2 outer power tubes out of my 6505+ this brings it down to 60watts, thus lowering the headroom and cutting feedback a bit - something to think about if you mostly play overdriven or high gain stuff.

doesn't half the volume though, only brings it down a few dbs.


I did this with my peavey classic 50.
Really brought it to life.
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#24
too fucking loud
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#25
i have a fairly large back yard, i would say, about 50 yards length wise. i own a tripple X, also 120 watts tube. i placed the amp on the back porch, stood about 20 yards from the amp and played with the volume maxed out. i scooted back another ten yards. it still hurt. stood behind a tree, not much help.

i've never used the amps volume above a third of the way up in any setting where i wasn't seeing how loud it was. even with a band.
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#26
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My 130 watt tube amp blows small dogs away with the volume at 3.



lmfao!

Although it's probably true..
#27
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i have a fairly large back yard, i would say, about 50 yards length wise. i own a tripple X, also 120 watts tube. i placed the amp on the back porch, stood about 20 yards from the amp and played with the volume maxed out. i scooted back another ten yards. it still hurt. stood behind a tree, not much help.

i've never used the amps volume above a third of the way up in any setting where i wasn't seeing how loud it was. even with a band.

Wow...a 90' guitar cable? Was it a custom order?
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By high-gain I don't mean stupid stuff. I just mean styles like Motley Crue or Iron Maiden
#28
^i think he just left the guitar down, not actually having a long patch chord. haha
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#30
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Maybe he plays the amp acoustically..... Sorry had to throw that in there lol

lol, good one.
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By high-gain I don't mean stupid stuff. I just mean styles like Motley Crue or Iron Maiden
#31
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Wow...a 90' guitar cable? Was it a custom order?


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#33
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Wireless system FTW.

Yeah, I actually just now just realized, "Duh!". *smacks self in head*
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#34
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My 130 watt tube amp blows small dogs away with the volume at 3.

hehe
funny
But still: isnt that a typo?
I mean, you cant devide 130 by 6 nor by 4. So how can you have a tube amp that has 130W, knowing that you always have an even number of tubes and that for 100W or more you need 4 or 6 tubes?
Lets keep it by a typo?

On the subject: Its loud as hell. But that shouldnt stop you from buying it. You buy an amp because you like its sound, not because you like its loudness.
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#35
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hehe
funny
But still: isnt that a typo?
I mean, you cant devide 130 by 6 nor by 4. So how can you have a tube amp that has 130W, knowing that you always have an even number of tubes and that for 100W or more you need 4 or 6 tubes?
Lets keep it by a typo?

On the subject: Its loud as hell. But that shouldnt stop you from buying it. You buy an amp because you like its sound, not because you like its loudness.

the ac30 is 33 watts so....
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#36
I recently spent a lot of time playing the 6505+ and the ValveKing heads back to back to see which one I wanted. Ended up going with the 6505+ and I DID crank them both all the way up to hear the differences in how they handled the big volumes. Surprisingly, the 6505+ volume difference between about 6 or 7 and 10 isn't that big, BUT you'll really never need to go louder than maybe 3 1/2 to 4. I've had it set to 5 at shows, but always end up turning it down because it just overpowers everything else at those volumes. You won't need a louder amp than that.

What actually sucks about it is that like every other high wattage tube head, it just doesn't sound that great at really low volumes (like room practicing volumes). You need to get it into the 2 1/2 to 3 range before it starts sounding like it's supposed to. Most big league heads are like that, though.
#37
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Wow...a 90' guitar cable? Was it a custom order?

linked a handful together with a couple pedals. they were off, except the noise suppressor, but you get the idea.
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#38
120 Watts will make you and everyone in your zip code sh!t their pants on first note played.
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#39
Quote by gpderek09
linked a handful together with a couple pedals. they were off, except the noise suppressor, but you get the idea.


ah yeah that works too, ill vet you had some signal loss with that though.
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linked a handful together with a couple pedals. they were off, except the noise suppressor, but you get the idea.

hahaha, that would've made an EPIC picture haha
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