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Well, I'm going to give a speech in 6 hours on the topic of legalizing all drugs (including "hard drugs", such as cocaine, crack, and heroin). I need to address some opposing viewpoints that the common person has, though. So give me your reasons pit.


THIS IS NOT A DEBATE. I just need some points to cover in my speech.

Thanks!
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#2
Legalized drugs will increase criminal activity?

Instead everybody would be way more chill. Like me right now...
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#3
They are really addictive and pretty harmful to you...on the other hand, marijuana and LSD are none of those. Alcohol is what should be banned if they are gonna have marijuana banned, it is much worse
#4
Legalizing ALL drugs? Bad idea. Many drugs are harmful and SHOULD be banned, like Aikoe said, alcohol and cigarettes are a couple of examples of that.
#5
The reason marijuana is banned is because it grows anywhere. If it was legalized, the Federal Government would have no control over it and wouldn't be able to tax it. That's why alcohol is legal and marijuana isn't. Do you think they actually care about the people?
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#6
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Legalized drugs will increase criminal activity?

Instead everybody would be way more chill. Like me right now...

by criminal activity what do you mean? like violence and theft?
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The reason marijuana is banned is because it grows anywhere. If it was legalized, the Federal Government would have no control over it and wouldn't be able to tax it. That's why alcohol is legal and marijuana isn't. Do you think they actually care about the people?


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#8
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by criminal activity what do you mean? like violence and theft?

Yeah, including gang violence.
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#9
Legalizing some drugs would REDUCE criminal activity, it's turning into another alcohol prohibition type thing. They ban it, but people are still gonna do it no matter what they do and all it does is just help gangs and smugglers get richer and richer, and fill up jails. If drugs were legal most all of gangs in the US would be hurt badly, but it would be more assessable to normal people, but I think people should have free choice if they want to ruin their lives or not. but if it were legal I think mostly the people that would be buying it would be people that would buy it illegally anyways. I still think marijuana should be legal though, it decreases your judgment and such, but waaaaaaaaay less that alcohol. when you are high you don't feel like having sex with random fat chicks and busting car windows and driving around possibly killing little kids.

/rant over


btw, you can grow tobacco and you can make alcohol...so that statement was completely pointless...
#10
One of the biggest reasons that I've heard about pot is that there isn't an on the spot test for it, i.e. you can't get pulled over and tested for a DUI. By the time lab results come in for it, the suspect can claim that it was residual from earlier that day, week, or whenever.
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#12
Wow... this is perhaps the worst idea I have ever heard.

We are fine at the point we're at now... you still do the drugs regardless of its legality so why bother getting it legalized. Why do you wish to waste your time and effort?
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#13
They don't make tobacco cause they can buy it. People wouldn't make marijuana if they could buy it. But at the moment people DO make marijuana cause they can't buy it.

Get my point?
#14
20+ billion spent on the War on Drugz every year, this creates millions of jobs for americans and eventually helps keep a corner of your silly american economy spinning.
...and the CIA controls the opium fields in afganistan ...
#15
btw, you can grow tobacco and you can make alcohol...so that statement was completely pointless...


People are lazy, they're not going to actually make the alcohol. Tobacco at the quality you can buy it, isn't easy to grow. Marijuana, like I said, can grow pretty much ANYWHERE, most of the time, you don't even have to do anything to grow it, just put it in the ground. Think about how lazy America is...
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#16
is sugar would be discovered now it would be made illegal since it's highly addictive, therefore compromise - ban sugar allow drugs.

of course this is an argument I don't agree with at all, I don't do drugs and I don't need em. You've gotten the worst spot in the entire talk about drugs
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#17
Baahhhhhhh

It's so hard resisting arguing with everyone here.
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#18
ugh!

well, legalizing drugs is bad because of:

The harm it does to the user
The harm the user can cause to others whilst under the influence
The cost of any damage caused by the user (car crashes, defacing public property
The cost of running (predominantly free to the public) drug clinics to rehabilitate ex-users
The increase in illness that would be seen almost instantaneously
The mind altering effects in youth, and further more the decline in school attendance that is shown to be directly related to drug use.
The completely mentally void society that the western world would become.

However I will say, that statistics show high drug use does not correlate with intentional violence or gang activity, but it does correlate to accidental death.

And to get the pro-drug kiddies off my back, i do not believe that marijuana should fall under this category due to its obvious similarities to alcohol both in effects and widespread usage.
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Wow... this is perhaps the worst idea I have ever heard.

We are fine at the point we're at now... you still do the drugs regardless of its legality so why bother getting it legalized. Why do you wish to waste your time and effort?

Why is it a bad idea though besides the apparent waste of time and money?
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#20
Yea but what i'm saying, people that want to grow it are already growing it now. If it were legalized, sure people would still grow it. but less people would because they could buy higher quality in the store with way less waiting and work
#21
I don't think I have anything to add which hasn't been covered a dozen times before, but I just wanted to congratulate the threadstarter on his excellent choice of sig.
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#22
any reason why hard drugs should not be legalized specifically?

TastyEDIT: ^ to raise_the_dead: that quote is pure lulz.
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#23
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any reason why hard drugs should not be legalized specifically?

TastyEDIT: ^ to raise_the_dead: that quote is pure lulz.


Are you really so ignorant as to seriously ask this question?
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#24
a multi-billion dollar war is still not worth the social ailments of mass consumption of corrupting substances.
#25
Hard drugs are extremely addictive and have really bad affects, and can be deadly. buying hard drugs would pretty much just be like buying something to completely destroy your life. But drugs like marijuana and LSD are not addictive at all and pretty much almost impossible to overdose on, and much less worse than alcohol and less deadly than tobacco
#26
Quote by hethamulburton
Are you really so ignorant as to seriously ask this question?

I've been doing strenuous research for about 2 months now. I've read countless studies and policy texts (not just pro-legalization websites). I'd say I'm rather informed about the topic. But I'm not here to debate, I just need some help completing my speech.

Again, I just want to see the typical person's views on this topic.
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#27
Quote by crackhutch
The reason marijuana is banned is because it grows anywhere. If it was legalized, the Federal Government would have no control over it and wouldn't be able to tax it. That's why alcohol is legal and marijuana isn't. Do you think they actually care about the people?


Of course. It's all a conspiracy. I mean, why would the guys whose job is to run the country try to make it work for it's citizens?
On that note, the US government faked the moon landing, did 9/11 and are planning to nuke themselves in the near future.
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#28
The decision makers couldnt care less about how deadly or addictive something is ie. cigarettes, teh problem with everyone smoking meth is that you cannot hold down a job and pay the tax man for example go see how productive the nice folks twitching in your citys downtown parks are
#29
Quote by TastyMooglePie
I've been doing strenuous research for about 2 months now. I've read countless studies and policy texts (not just pro-legalization websites). I'd say I'm rather informed about the topic. But I'm not here to debate, I just need some help completing my speech.

Again, I just want to see the typical person's views on this topic.


Well I'm sure your research may have said something about addiction, effects, the possibility of a particular drug to kill you, etc.
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#30
Quote by TastyMooglePie
I've been doing strenuous research for about 2 months now. I've read countless studies and policy texts (not just pro-legalization websites). I'd say I'm rather informed about the topic. But I'm not here to debate, I just need some help completing my speech.

Again, I just want to see the typical person's views on this topic.


The typical person's view will depend on the age. Between 14 and 30, people will probably say to legalize marijuana because they don't want to get in trouble for using it. 30 and older will probably say to ban it because of the effects on the youth (plus it supposedly accelerates the aging process, which older people don't want).
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#31
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Again, I just want to see the typical person's views on this topic.

If I count as the typical person, here's mine: I do not support the legalization of all drugs for the same reason I do not support civilian ownership of nuclear weapons.

It is possible to use them in a safe, responsible way, but it's way more likely that they will not be used as such.
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Well I'm sure your research may have said something about addiction, effects, the possibility of a particular drug to kill you, etc.

Yes, I am aware of those things. I am not positing that legalizing drugs is a panacea for all drug problems, including addiction and crime. But again, I'm not debating here, mainly because I need to refine my speech.

If you guys want to debate, go to the drug thread. I don't want this thread closed right now.
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#33
Quote by TastyMooglePie
Well, I'm going to give a speech in 6 hours on the topic of legalizing all drugs (including "hard drugs", such as cocaine, crack, and heroin). I need to address some opposing viewpoints that the common person has, though. So give me your reasons pit.

the opponents have any skill at all, they will approach this from a standpoint of economics.


1 - legalizing drugs makes them cheaper and easier to access. no longer will dealer networks be facing criminal charges by trafficking. So the law of supply and demand will prevail. the supply will now easily meet demand and the price will plummet.
2 - although this will lessen crimes like robberies to get money for drugs, other problems will surface.
3 - much younger people will be able to afford and have access to these drugs.
4 - health problems associated with these drugs will skyrocket. this will put a massive strain on the health-care system.
5 - since the drugs will be more accessible, kids may even use them as "pranks" dusting pot with cocaine to see what it does to their buddies. why not? it's cheap.
6 - without laws creating a barrier primarily though cost and fear, young teens who often consider themselves invincible/nearly immortal will experiment. They'll plan to just try it once, but rarely will they not continue experimenting, again and again until the only way to feel 'normal' is to use.
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#34
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the opponents have any skill at all, they will approach this from a standpoint of economics.


1 - legalizing drugs makes them cheaper and easier to access. no longer will dealer networks be facing criminal charges by trafficking. So the law of supply and demand will prevail. the supply will now easily meet demand and the price will plummet.
2 - although this will lessen crimes like robberies to get money for drugs, other problems will surface.
3 - much younger people will be able to afford and have access to these drugs.
4 - health problems associated with these drugs will skyrocket. this will put a massive strain on the health-care system.
5 - since the drugs will be more accessible, kids may even use them as "pranks" dusting pot with cocaine to see what it does to their buddies. why not? it's cheap.
6 - without laws creating a barrier primarily though cost and fear, young teens who often consider themselves invincible/nearly immortal will experiment. They'll plan to just try it once, but rarely will they not continue experimenting, again and again until the only way to feel 'normal' is to use.



All of that came from your ass, right?
#35
Alright, keep 'em coming guys. SYK raises good points.
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#36
Must. not. argue. with. prohibitionist. morons.

All this thread now needs is someone to state the gateway theory and i'll cry.
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#37
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Must. not. argue. with. prohibitionist. morons.

I think I'm good with the responses. I'm going to go work on my speech now, so I guess you guys can go ahead and debate now. Or a mod can just close this thread.

Good night guys.
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#38
Quote by Jakeylee111
Must. not. argue. with. prohibitionist. morons.

All this thread now needs is someone to state the gateway theory and i'll cry.


well now that you mention it,

if marijuana is legalized this will create a gateway effec...


NOT! lol

to make this not spam,

Does anyone honestly believe drugs will get cheaper if the government has control over them? It'll be the same as Cigarettes and prescription medication. for example:

Large corporations by out the lowly Weed farmer, put a brand on his grass and mark it up 400%. Which will lead to? people growing their own ganja because it's cheaper.

Can anyone say full circle?
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#40
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One of the biggest reasons that I've heard about pot is that there isn't an on the spot test for it, i.e. you can't get pulled over and tested for a DUI. By the time lab results come in for it, the suspect can claim that it was residual from earlier that day, week, or whenever.

That's not true. People get arrested for driving under the influence of marijuana all the time.
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