#1
im wondering?
because my dad (im 15) suggested i learn all the chords, modes, triads etc. so i become a better bassist.

can anyone give me any advanatages/disadvantages of these methods.

i brought this up because i mainly play metal and its seems to me that metal dont have chords/scales. they just have really fast music.

HELP!?
#3
Metal draws influence from all sorts of stuff; jazz (with some of the beats), blues, and classical.
Learning scales will mean that you'll be better at improvising and soloing.
Playing in key is important too. Lessons will also make you better technically.
The only downside to lessons is the fact that you have to commit to it both time-wise and financially.

TL;DR Take lessons.
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#5
its very helpful especially for improv. cool riffs are usually born from improvsing, and understanding what you're playing in terms of theory helps you progress a song along in the way you intend/imagine it. playing in key, knowing some chords and their progression, and scales are great tools for any musician. you might get hooked and persue to learn as much as possible, and you might find yourself making masterpieces if you get really into it! as for myself, i just study little by little, but practice > theory

using the internet to learn music theory is convenient, you'd be surprised to see all of the advanced theory available for free online.

check out justinguitar.com and this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6490975382658539247&hl=en
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im wondering?
because my dad (im 15) suggested i learn all the chords, modes, triads etc. so i become a better bassist.

can anyone give me any advanatages/disadvantages of these methods.

i brought this up because i mainly play metal and its seems to me that metal dont have chords/scales. they just have really fast music.

HELP!?

That makes no sense whatsoever.....What do you think that really fast music is based off of or an exact copy of?
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If you think metal doesnt use scales, then yes you do need theory lessons.

Metal bass playing can be as intricate as you want, or you can just play whatever the guitarist plays. Theory (and lessons) gives you the tools to build more interesting parts and write more complicated riffs.

Learning of any kind has no disadvantage unless you enjoy your ignorance.
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If you think that theory wouldn't help, thats a pretty clear indicator that theory would help.
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okay well then i take that back. metal uses scales, okay. but what i meant is, metal is mainly driven by ostinatos and repetition i.e. basically the note of whatever key you play in and whatever else is put into the song to make it sound different. i guess it also depends on what sort of "metal" you listen to. well me, i listen to a bit of everything, from Hardcore to black metal.

but thank you all for your input.
oh and if i was going to do this theory, i would use the "bass guitar for dummies". ive got a copy, read through it and tried some of the triads and modes in there, and its a really good book and covers everything. could anyone give me any feedback on that?? or if you dont have a copy go to a book store and flick through it and tell me if i could do it all myself with that??

thank you all
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oh yeah, and does anyone want to voice their opinion on slap bass in metal. i mean i rekon slaps and pops sounds awesome, and could made ,music sound sinister, and so want input. i just play with a pick at the moment
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im wondering?
because my dad (im 15) suggested i learn all the chords, modes, triads etc. so i become a better bassist.

can anyone give me any advanatages/disadvantages of these methods.

i brought this up because i mainly play metal and its seems to me that metal dont have chords/scales. they just have really fast music.

HELP!?
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#12
Oh dear, take lessons please. We don't need bass players that don't know a thing about theory.
#13
If metal didn't use scales it would either be one note repeated for ever, or ****

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oh yeah, and does anyone want to voice their opinion on slap bass in metal. i mean i rekon slaps and pops sounds awesome, and could made ,music sound sinister, and so want input. i just play with a pick at the moment


The guy from Mudvayne uses slap quite a bit
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the other day someone asked the correct way to play an Iron Maiden song. I told him to just use the normal scale position for natural minor (which is also called aeolian) because that's all it was.

I'm literally disturbed by the amount of people who said "metal has no theory". I'm just going to let you guys listen to your extremely heavy theoryless metal (...uh. Ratt? lol) and keep on rocking.
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Metal does use scales

There are NO disadvantages, people saying that the "rules" tie you down are downright retarded.. Scales are a great tool for riffery, and with greater knowledge you can make your parts more interesting

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the other day someone asked the correct way to play an Iron Maiden song. I told him to just use the normal scale position for natural minor (which is also called aeolian) because that's all it was.

I'm literally disturbed by the amount of people who said "metal has no theory". I'm just going to let you guys listen to your extremely heavy theoryless metal (...uh. Ratt? lol) and keep on rocking.

But you couldn't find metal that doesn't use theory
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But you couldn't find metal that doesn't use theory


Metal has structure and theory in place. It is just used in more unorthoox ways. There are still intervals between the notes they play, and as long as that is around, theory can be used to explain the created effect. Hence, you can use theory to create that effect.
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Sweeps in modes ring a bell?

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Metal has structure and theory in place. It is just used in more unorthoox ways. There are still intervals between the notes they play, and as long as that is around, theory can be used to explain the created effect. Hence, you can use theory to create that effect.

I know; Dan was saying go listen to theoryless metal, and I was saying all metal has theory.
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If metal didn't use scales it would either be one note repeated for ever, or ****


The guy from Mudvayne uses slap quite a bit
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Listen to Cryptopsy for some mean use of slap in metal



yeah i knew that, and can play half of dig and **** like that.

thanks guys, ill look up some more cryptopsy.

ps dont cannibal corpse use slap as well??
but thanks guys, i got the answers i want. and some i didnt, but eh, **** happens.
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