#1
Combo:
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-IBA-TBX150R-LIST

Stack:
- Head:
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-IBA-TBX150H-LIST

- Cabinet
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-IBA-IS412CA-LIST

which would you go with? the stack is more i know. but i could add on to it later. like add another cab. but the combo is cheaper now....

which one is more powerfull?

so i dont know what to do...do you?

thanks!

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
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Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

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#2
Stack is always more powerful especially when it's tube...


.....mmm.....tuuuuuuuube......
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#3
hehe...my combo out powered a kids stack once, it was funny. then again my combo is 100 watts of pure tube.
EDIT: id go stack...when you replace the head later you can keep the cab
people with large sig's are clearly compensating for something.
#4
The stack will sound more "open" because of the four speakers instead of two. If someone asked me which one I would prefer, I'd say the stack. Let's face facts...we don't need the stack, but it looks cool, and even though it's very heavy, if you don't mind lugging it around, then who cares? If you do care about weight and all that stuff and don't care for the looks, just get the combo. Hope this helps a little!
#6
what?...all crap?....alright...what would you suggest then?

thanks for the other posts guys! are Ibanez amps alright?

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#7
hm? why hasn't anyone told this guy those amps suck!!! look at ALL TUBE AMPS IN YOUR PRICE RANGE!!!!!!!!
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#8
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-CRA-FW120HS

any better?

or are Ibanez really crap? their guitars are good, so i thought i would check out their amps..

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#9
ive always wondered too...how can a 2x12" combo have more watts than 4x12" stack?...cause the combo was rated at 150w. the stack is like 120w?

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#10
Quote by bojangleman
http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-CRA-FW120HS

any better?

or are Ibanez really crap? their guitars are good, so i thought i would check out their amps..

Alex

No it's not any better, worse maybe.

Yes, their amps are crap.

What styles of music do you play?
What's your budget?
Are you gigging or just for room practice?
If gigging how big of gigs?
#11
Quote by bojangleman
ive always wondered too...how can a 2x12" combo have more watts than 4x12" stack?...cause the combo was rated at 150w. the stack is like 120w?

Alex


What you have to understand is watts don't always matter, unless you know what you're talking about and need tons of clean headroom.

A 40w tube combo would massacre the 150w amp in tone and headroom at 6.

You want a tube amp. If you're gigging, 30-50w may be what you need, if you're playing decent sized gigs. I've heard 15w does good.

Do you need cleans?

Budget? Music genres, styles?
#12
Tube>Solid State

Check out a Peavey Valve King for $399 50W 112 combo all tube beast
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#14
Budget - i would love to not go over 500.

Style - anything from metal to indie.

Gigs - Outside gigs, maybe venues of 100-300 people.

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#15
For 500 you can get a VK112 and a nice OD. That'll cover any sounds you'll want to use.
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#16
so this?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Bandit-112-Guitar-Amplifier-with-TransTube-Technology-481332-i1167402.gc

or

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-ValveKing-112-Combo-Amp-104003397-i1145634.gc

so the VK112 50w all tube power is going to be more powerful than the 80w transtube?

and could i move this around? i have heard that it isnt good to move tube amps...

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#17
VK and speaker swap =win
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#18
Quote by bojangleman
so this?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Bandit-112-Guitar-Amplifier-with-TransTube-Technology-481332-i1167402.gc

or

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-ValveKing-112-Combo-Amp-104003397-i1145634.gc

so the VK112 50w all tube power is going to be more powerful than the 80w transtube?

and could i move this around? i have heard that it isnt good to move tube amps...

Alex

A 50w tube can pump out around 150 watts at full capacity. 50 watts is the rms wattage, the wattage at which natural overdrive begins (if I'm not mistaken).

Also, tube amplifiers accentuate different frequencies at higher volumes than do tube amps, and these frequencies are better perceived by the human ear, so it's also louder than a comparable SS amp of the same wattage.

The Valveking leaves much to be wanted in the clean department, though. Try a Classic 30 along with it, and decide what you like better.
#19
Quote by bojangleman
so this?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Bandit-112-Guitar-Amplifier-with-TransTube-Technology-481332-i1167402.gc

or

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-ValveKing-112-Combo-Amp-104003397-i1145634.gc

so the VK112 50w all tube power is going to be more powerful than the 80w transtube?

and could i move this around? i have heard that it isnt good to move tube amps...

Alex

The Valveking is the better of those two by far, and yes the 50W VK will be comparable to a solid state amp 2-3x it's wattage in terms of power and volume.

And of course you can move it around. Saying it's not good to move tube amps is just down right ignorant, as long as you're not going to drop it off a building or anything, even dropping it from like 4 feet it shouldn't break. Tube amps are made to withstand abuse, and are easier to fix than a SS amp if you do happen to break it.

SS amps are pretty much impossible to repair unless it's something minor.


If you're willing to go a little higher. I'd HIGHLY suggest you take a look at some used Mesa F-30s or F-50s. They're much better quality in sound and in build as well as having nice cleans and a lot of gain on tap.
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#20
The B-52 AT112 is way better than the VK i think.
You can play metal to indie without OD, tube change or speaker swap.
used they are like $300, new $550 i think.

but you might as well stretch your budget and get a mesa F-series, you'll like it better in the long run.
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#21
With those amps your choice boils down to one box of crap or two boxes of crap.

There's much, much better options available....the aforementioned Valveking, B52 and also the Bugeras.
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#22
Quote by xMikeyxMetalx
The B-52 AT112 is way better than the VK i think.
You can play metal to indie without OD, tube change or speaker swap.
used they are like $300, new $550 i think.

but you might as well stretch your budget and get a mesa F-series, you'll like it better in the long run.


Hes right, save up and get something you'll really love and wont need to replace in a year or 2 time, didnt know you could get F-series amps that cheap in US, but if so, go for it.
#23
Quote by imgooley
A 50w tube can pump out around 150 watts at full capacity. 50 watts is the rms wattage, the wattage at which natural overdrive begins (if I'm not mistaken).

Also, tube amplifiers accentuate different frequencies at higher volumes than do tube amps, and these frequencies are better perceived by the human ear, so it's also louder than a comparable SS amp of the same wattage.

The Valveking leaves much to be wanted in the clean department, though. Try a Classic 30 along with it, and decide what you like better.

TOTALLY WRONG.

Dear god where do people get these misconceptions from, brb, copying one of my previous posts explaining this tube power thing properly.
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#24
Quote by mcw00t
Well, it is, indeed based off the point at which the signal stays clean, however the way that it's being explained is wrong.

After the signal begins to break up there is NEGLIGIBLE increase in peak power dissipation. The whole idea of clipping is that no more power can be supplied, thus cutting off the extremes of the signal. Thus, distortion/overdrive whatever you wanna call it. I'm going to refer to it as distortion, which is the correct electronic term for it.

Now, we look at the signal before it's been clipped and we do a nice integration between limits of pi and 0 of y=sinx to find out an arbitrary area under a signal curve.

Then, we go to the complete other extreme and do exactly the same, but with a square wave of the same period. You will find that the area under the square wave will be exactly pi units^2.

HOWEVER

The area under the sine curve is going to be, guess what? pi/SQRT2 units^2

A square wave can be seen as an infinitely overdriven sine wave, therefore, yes, more MEAN power is being dissipated, however, the peak power remains (almost) exactly the same. This results in NO PHYSICAL VOLUME INCREASE as during these clipped regions, the speaker cone isn't moving.

he reason it might be percieved louder is that the ear picks up, up to about 3rd order harmonics as a volume increase, as opposed to distortion of the signal.

Crazy stuff...


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#26
Quote by mcw00t
Have fun

Thanks for the education, but you could have been more polite about it.

I had a feeling I was wrong.
#27
Quote by imgooley
Thanks for the education, but you could have been more polite about it.

I had a feeling I was wrong.

I agree with you, but if you have a feeling you're wrong, chances are, you shouldn't post, because when talking about potential stacks or high-end combos, it's a lot of money to get some wrong information about.


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#28
what do you guys think of Carvin?

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#29
I've heard they make some really nice amps. Steve Vai uses them
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#30
Are you willing to go used?
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#31
yah, what'd you have in mind?

Alex
Guitars:
Schecter Omen 6
SX Telecaster
Rogue Deadnought
Squier J Bass

Amps:
Peavey TKO 115
Line 6 Spider III 15 watt
Fender Rumble 15

Drums:
Yamaha, Lugwig, Pearl, CB Drums
Sabian Cymbals
Yamaha Hardware
#32
Look for a used Traynor YCV40 or similar (there's actually a YCV80 for $425 on Chicago's craigslist, but you aren't anywhere near here ).

Very versatile.
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Quote by utsapp89
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