#1
Hi just thinking about buying a single rectifier or a dual rectifier, just wondering how loud a single rectifier will be, will it be loud enough for what I want. It needs to be god enough for small gigs 200 people at most, going to have to compete with a custom orange county drum kit, and a TSL-100 Full stack, I would be the second guitarist, playing second fiddle to the TSL. So would it be loud enough?

On a side note, has anyone used a new marshall and mesa together, would they compliment each other well? I assume they would with their individual subtleties.
#2
Yeah, definatley loud enough.

50 tube watts is plenty.

the triple rectifier is insane.. 150.. I guess you'd want that if you want everyone in your country to hear.
#3
ok aren't there other differences between the single and dual tho, i remember there being a slight feature difference but i cant seem to find it.
#4
100 watts won't be that much louder than 50. You won't get the 50 loud enough for it to make any difference anyway. Buy whichever sounds best to you, I think the single and dual are different.
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#5
50 watts tube is fvcking lethal. A friend of mine once cranked his single recto and my knees were shaking.
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#6
50 is plenty....maybe even more than enough
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You can get a dual rec with 2 channels also btw. But a lot of people say it sound different from the single rec. Tone is to each his own but the general consensus is that dual rec 2 channels are the best sounding, especially the revision e black faces.
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Quote by zhunt1130
The single rec has 2 channels with 5 modes and the dual rec has 3 channels with 8 modes. The dual also has a "solo" control for each channel. The dual also comes with a 5 button foot switch and the single only has a 2 button one.

Here's their website if you want to look into it more.
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/product_info.htm#


Um, your only right on one of those facts. The Single Rec has a solo control, and the difference between the Dual and the Single is that you also have a pair of 5U4G tubes that act as tube rectifiers. They make the amp sag more. The Dual also has Diode rectification that you can switch to.
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#10
think i've decided on a dual, its the sound i want, getting a single would simply be a compromise and when i'm paying that much for an amp, i shouldn't be looking to compromise I should be looking for my dream amp; it might not turn out that way, but at least Id've gone for it with my first choice and I read elsewhere that the volume difference is 3dB so it's not an insane amount of difference.

Another point is i do like my cleans as well and logically there would be more headroom with the dual.
#11
3 db, is like doubling the volume.

i`m pretty sure thats true, because when i went from a 2X12 to a 4X12 cab my amp got ALOT louder, and everyone around here says that doubling your speakers is a 3db increase.
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3 db, is like doubling the volume.

i`m pretty sure thats true, because when i went from a 2X12 to a 4X12 cab my amp got ALOT louder, and everyone around here says that doubling your speakers is a 3db increase.

It's not doubling the volume. 3dB is considered the lowest threshold the human ear can still detect a volume difference, +10dB is what most literature cites as a "doubling" in volume to the human ear. adding twice the speaker surface area up to a point, or doubling the wattage of an amp, both yield +3dB. You would need 200W to even get a +6 dB increase from a 50W amp.
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3 db, is like doubling the volume.

i`m pretty sure thats true, because when i went from a 2X12 to a 4X12 cab my amp got ALOT louder, and everyone around here says that doubling your speakers is a 3db increase.

What? You cant even perceive 3db...
#14
Quote by TechnicolorType
Yeah, definatley loud enough.

50 tube watts is plenty.

the triple rectifier is insane.. 150.. I guess you'd want that if you want everyone in your country to hear.



Eh it's not that loud.
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3 db, is like doubling the volume.

i`m pretty sure thats true, because when i went from a 2X12 to a 4X12 cab my amp got ALOT louder, and everyone around here says that doubling your speakers is a 3db increase.



Dude, don't talk about things you don't know about. 10 dB would be considered doubling. 3 is noticeable, but not huge.


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What? You cant even perceive 3db...



Errrr.... okay then..
#16
Remember, speaker effiency also plays a big part here. Not to mention everything else that affects the loudness apart from wattage.
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#17
im thinkin marshall 1960a cab with it, Good choice? having bought the head I only want to spend around £300 on the cab for now
#18
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Errrr.... okay then..

Well...give for take. But you cant really even tell a difference in a 3db increase in volume...
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im thinkin marshall 1960a cab with it, Good choice? having bought the head I only want to spend around £300 on the cab for now



For a recto you'd want something with v30s imo
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Well...give for take. But you cant really even tell a difference in a 3db increase in volume...
When I pulled half my amp's power tubes there was a 3dB decrease, and that was definitely noticable.
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#21
The single rec will definitely be enough. Our drummer plays a custom Medicine Man Drum Kit, and our other guitarist runs a single rec with a avatar 2x12 loaded with V30s...it sounds pretty dang good
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For a recto you'd want something with v30s imo


example of cabs available in UK that has these then? i say UK to remove the options of Avatars that someone always seems to mention
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On a side note, has anyone used a new marshall and mesa together, would they compliment each other well? I assume they would with their individual subtleties.


i saw a metal band last week. one guitar player was playing thru a Dual Rec, the other guitarist was using a marshall jcm900. while the jcm900 was very defined and i could hear everything the guy was playing, the tone from the Dual seemed somehow to get lost. it seemed that the marshall was more trebly?
now, this was in a small night club. i don't think the amps were mic'd. i was wearing earplugs (which i think helps to hear the music better, but...). and possibly i was just standing in the wrong place, and it might have been that the marshall was eq'd better (for the club, for my hearing, what ever).
#24
i think if they weren't mic'ed its all about where you stand, that's been my experience.

Need to decide on a cab for my dual recto but after having listened to the v30 clips on netmusicians.org, I think they sound very poor compared to the rest, don't like the harshness of em. I really like the clip on youtube with the old blackbacks, is there anything similar to these now? Or other speakers that go well with a dual recto?
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example of cabs available in UK that has these then? i say UK to remove the options of Avatars that someone always seems to mention


Search the used market. You should be able to get something for that much easily. Look into used mesa cabs, although mesa gear is expensive there, orange, marshalls with v30s, etc. v30s with my recto sounds killer