#1
Well i want a louder and better amp... Currently i have a Marshall Mg15 watt.

I mainly play punk, some rock, rockabilly, country.... etc.... Sometimes i like me some good ol metal...


I can't decide from the

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Spider-III-75-75W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp-103944773-i1168992.gc


or the

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Raven-RG100-Guitar-Combo-Amplifier-104622717-i1385074.gc
#3
Quote by Deadkid248
Well i want a louder and better amp... Currently i have a Marshall Mg15 watt.

I mainly play punk, some rock, rockabilly, country.... etc.... Sometimes i like me some good ol metal...


I can't decide from the

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Spider-III-75-75W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp-103944773-i1168992.gc


or the

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Raven-RG100-Guitar-Combo-Amplifier-104622717-i1385074.gc

I'd go with the Line 6 for versatility, but the tone is often just hard to feel. I'm not going to slam Spiders like everyone else, I even own one for practice. If you could give a price range people could recommend some other amps that will hold their value more. Though if you decide to get a modeling amp, go with a Vox Valvetronix AD. Preferably the 50 watt.
Epiphone Dot
DIY Esquire w/Neovin Power Rock pickup
Vox AC30VR 212
Arion MTE-1 (LED clipping diodes added)
Vox Tonelab LE
Roland SDE1000 delay

Quote by DaMarsbarPerson
By high-gain I don't mean stupid stuff. I just mean styles like Motley Crue or Iron Maiden
#4
They're both junk, if you don't want to spend more money than those two are worth you might as well keep the mg.
I don't give a shit if you listen to me or not
#6
For around the same amount of money you can get a nice tube amp to play with. Crate makes some nice tube amps for pretty cheap that sound totally rad. I bet you would be much happier with the tone you would get out of them compared to the two amps you have listed.
#8
um..... i have like 420 ish i can possible spend and maybe more from my dad.... so.... idk like 350 to like 500 maybe......


i want it to be loud but at the same time have a very good tone
#9
there are lots of tube amps you can get for that or less. they will be plenty loud too. A 30 watt tube amp is WAY louder than a 30 watt SS amp and the louder you play them the better the tone gets. For the types of music you play i would definitely check out the crate amps. There is a crate v30 212 combo that just came out that looks badass. I play with a v30 head and fend cab and am very happy with it.
#11
For that budget, a blues junior could do you very nicely. Or a Crate Palomino.
#12
So i'm guessing that i should get a tube amp for better tone... ok..... how much are tubes and how often must they be replaced?
#14
lol the create v series is pretty good. i would look at the 30w over the 50w, and where does it say it does have good distortion???
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#15
The Valveking has **** for cleans.

Did Crate discontinue the Palomino series?
#16
Quote by imgooley
The Valveking has **** for cleans.

Did Crate discontinue the Palomino series?


Wat? The Valveking has Jazzy cleans. TS, if you buy a valveking you need to replace the speaker. Personally I'd recommend something smaller because 50w valve will blow your house apart.
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#17
for those styles and price range new:
Fender Blues Jr
Fender SuperChamp XD
Fender VibroChamp
Peavey Valveking 112
Blackhearts
Epi Valve Jr
Crates mentioned
possibly a B52 if folks pitch in
possibly a Laney or Traynor idk if folks pitch in
Vox Valvetronx

Used: you can open your options even more. Do you have access to Craigslist.com? Edit: Cali - yep.

311zoso
#18
Quote by bartdevil_metal
Wat? The Valveking has Jazzy cleans.

Jazzy cleans? No way. Not even close. A Twin Reverb has Jazzy Cleans. A Palomino Crate has jazzy cleans. A valveking has ****ty cleans. Dull and lifeless with little dynamic control.

TS, also give the Epiphone Valve Standard and Blues Custom a go. Very warm cleans, and good overdriven tones. Great for rockabilly. The Valve Standard has digital reverb built in, and it's pretty good, and the chorus is decent. The Blues Custom is awesome. It has the same warm cleans, especially if it's in the 15 watt Class A mode. Spring reverb is built in it as well.
#19
*A valveking has ****ty cleans. Dull and lifeless with little dynamic control*

^no offense imgooly but you keep using those terms 'dull and lifeless' as if it were a recording.

how much time have you spent with the Valveking?

what other tube amps do you own?

what other tube amps have you played thru and for how long EACH?

it has taken me a month to get this amp set just right, so can say i've put some time into it. i knew i would have to when i bought it.

i'm not making this up but i had a friend over tonight who is a die-hard Fender freak and normally plays acoustic guitar and he plugged into my amp with my strat and freakin blew me away with some of the clean stuff he was cranking out and he didn't even touch one knob. just started throwing down some serious blues stuff and absolutely convinced me i made the right choice. and it wasn't like i invited him over to check out my amp, he and his wife just came over for dinner. hell, he doesn't even know what a Valveking is so he was completely unbiased.

i have not even done a speaker or tube swap yet. after tonight, i may not even want to.

nuff said. good night.
#20
I'm sorry if I offended you or made myself seem like an ass by stating my opinion of the clean tone of that amp. I would say that I've spent about 5-10 hours, possibly more playing through it (yes, I am one of those guys who goes into guitar center and plays for several hours at a time). I found that it doesn't have a piercing top end, even with the bright switch engaged. It also lacked a good clean warmth. It sounded scooped, even when I put the mids up.

I must say this though. I did put my Screamin Blues in front of it and rolled the tone and volume down on the guitar I was playing (A 1999 reissue Gibson ES-137), and it gave a decent to good/very good range clean blues tone. It also sounded quite a deal better with a Casino (it has a maple body and P-90's), which gave it a bit more of a bite.

I guess my simple statement that I didn't like the cleans when compared to a Valve Standard or a Crate Palomino sounded a bit crass, and I apologize.
#21
that crate v50 you were lookin at is probably pretty sweet, i saw a crate v18 212 on same website that would sound good too. i guess it depends on how loud you wanna play. The 18 watt one would sound a lot louder than the 15 watt you are using now. I haven't heard the peavey one but the crate has pretty good distortion. You won't get pantera like distortion out of it but you can definitely get some nice fuzzy tones
#22
Quote by imgooley
I'm sorry if I offended you or made myself seem like an ass by stating my opinion of the clean tone of that amp. I would say that I've spent about 5-10 hours, possibly more playing through it (yes, I am one of those guys who goes into guitar center and plays for several hours at a time). I found that it doesn't have a piercing top end, even with the bright switch engaged. It also lacked a good clean warmth. It sounded scooped, even when I put the mids up.

**Text etc.**


I always thought that Fender cleans were more bluesy than Jazzy. In case you haven't noticed, jazz cleans are a little lifeless. That's the point. That's why a lot of Jazz players use solid state amplification. JC-120 for example.
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#23
well to avoid the rest of the arguement....^ =P

So apparently the the crate is good and the Vk. But on the review of the crate is says the distortion isn't that good..... But i do have a Digitech Hot Head distortion pedal so that could make up for it.??
#24
i like the distortion in my crate. it doesn't have an insane amount of gain but you can get some nice fuzzy tones for sure. the pedal can give you more distortion but the distortion by the amp sounds better since its made by the tubes. For what you have listed as the type of music you like to play it should give you plenty of fuzz. I dont know a lot about the valve kings, some people like them others dont, kinda like the crates.
#25
Quote by bartdevil_metal
I always thought that Fender cleans were more bluesy than Jazzy. In case you haven't noticed, jazz cleans are a little lifeless. That's the point. That's why a lot of Jazz players use solid state amplification. JC-120 for example.

Wes Montgomery used a Fender Super Reverb. Charlie Christian used a Gibson EH-150. Jim Hall used a Gibson GA-20. George Benson uses a Fender Deville.

I wouldn't say any of those amps are lifeless.
#26
Quote by Deadkid248
But on the review of the crate is says the distortion isn't that good..... But i do have a Digitech Hot Head distortion pedal so that could make up for it.??


where the **** does it say it doesn't have good distortion????
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#28
Quote by Ghold125
where the **** does it say it doesn't have good distortion????



click on the guitar center link and scroll down and read the review