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#1
Gangsta rap as a serious and expressive artform? I'm not talking about regular rap, but the mainstream rap you hear on the radio about hos and bitches and getting money.

I mean, I am sure there must be SOME people who think so, but I think this group is limited to rich white girls who wear big sunglasses in their car.
#3
..God damn it.. That isn't gangsta rap. There is a difference between being a playa and a gangsta.

Let me explain the difference.

NWA-Gangsta
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I take 80's hair metal as a serious and expressive artform.
What's your point.
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Quote by Jack Off Jill
..God damn it.. That isn't gangsta rap. There is a difference between being a playa and a gangsta.

Let me explain the difference.

NWA-Gangsta
Ludacris-Playa.



I dont get it
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I dont get it

Listen to NWA and Ludacris and you will.
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#8
Rap, all rap, is like modern art. It isn't real art. It jus trys to say it is. It's also not music. It's a mockery of music.
#9
Anyone can write rap

Just put random obscenities together
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Quote by Jack Off Jill
..God damn it.. That isn't gangsta rap. There is a difference between being a playa and a gangsta.

Let me explain the difference.

NWA-Gangsta
Ludacris-Playa.



I respectfully disagree

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#11
I don't think that girls that "wear big sunglasses in their cars" actually listen to gangsta rap.
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Quote by Jack Off Jill
..God damn it.. That isn't gangsta rap. There is a difference between being a playa and a gangsta.

Let me explain the difference.

NWA-Gangsta
Ludacris-Playa.


Thank you.
#14
....Who are you to say what art is? I don't like that kind of rap but i don't put it down and say that its all a joke. To the people that make that music it is art.
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I don't think that girls that "wear big sunglasses in their cars" actually listen to gangsta rap.


My sister does.


#16
Quote by Jack Off Jill
..God damn it.. That isn't gangsta rap. There is a difference between being a playa and a gangsta.

Let me explain the difference.

NWA-Gangsta
Ludacris-Playa.


maybe he means nwa = original and ludacris = copy or fake or something like that?

Anyway, there is good rap or hip hop out there. Listen to Atmosphere or maybe Aesop Rock. But I prefer Atmosphere much more. This is coming from a die hard opeth fan btw.
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#17
Quote by coca_cola
I dont get it

Gangstas rap about breaking the law, and taking the power back from the authorities. They rap about making a better life for the black people.

A playa talks about macking on women more frequently. That isn't to say that NWA didn't have songs about doing the same.. but playas are more frequent about it. They're smoother about it, and less angry for the most part. This really isn't that hard. Another good example would be Big Boi and Andre 3000. Big Boi regularly raps about gangsta life.. even if it has nothing to do with the song. Andre tends to rap more about love, women, and more intelligent things...
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#18
I don't necessarily say that the form of music is not reputable, but the artist's talent in creating a song that is not just a catchy hook and processed generic drum beats in the background.

Good - N.E.R.D., Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, Dr. Dre

Bad - Soulja Boy, Chamillionaire, MIMS

(IMO)
#19
I mean, i can create a rap song equivalent to anything like Soulja Boy, 50 Cent, Ludacris or any other tool in garage band in less than an hour. Its just commercialized bull****.
#20
Quote by Metallist65
Rap, all rap, is like modern art. It isn't real art. It jus trys to say it is. It's also not music. It's a mockery of music.


Please let that be irony.
#22
someone somewhere does.

I think its crapp. I like NWA and the early 90's stuff, but this stuff is crap. The hip hop industry shot itself in the foot the same way the hard rock guys did it with Winger and that 80's metal ****.

Its like cris rock said, you used to be able to defend it, break it down intellectually as an artistic expression. Now not so much
#23
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My sister does.


Examples of rappers?
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Examples of rappers?

Probably someone really thuggin', yo. Like Chingy.
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I mean, I am sure there must be SOME people who think so, but I think this group is limited to rich white girls who wear big sunglasses in their car.

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#27
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Probably someone really thuggin', yo. Like Chingy.
pshh fidy could kick his ass.
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#28
To be fair, Zach De La Rocha (from RATM for all those who don't know) rapped in their songs.
What's the difference?
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#29
I'm sorry... I guess I don't know my rap genres....
But what I MEANT, then, was this "playa" rap. You know, Soulja Boy, Chamillionaire, that one guy that sings This Is Why I'm Hot, etc.
#30
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How is gangsta rap not a serious and expressive artform? A lot of rappers are serious in their expression of their opinion on cultural, social and governmental topics, as well as personal experiences.


Cuz it sucks and rap seems to be mostly bout the rep. BTW, most of the rappers you're talkin bout aren't really gangsta rappers. You're talkin bout the underground guys who rap cuz they really do wanna express themselves. Not the 'gangstas' who wanna prove they can take so many bullets and will **** as many women as is humanly possibly and **** em in the grossest way possible.
#31
Quote by saul-huds0n
To be fair, Zach De La Rocha (from RATM for all those who don't know) rapped in their songs.
What's the difference?
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It is, but anti-hip hop people don't want to admit that.

Also, Soulja Boy is not a gangsta. Seriously. No...
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Quote by saul-huds0n
To be fair, Zach De La Rocha (from RATM for all those who don't know) rapped in their songs.
What's the difference?
*prepares to be blown to hell and back by abuse saying that it's not the same thing*


It's completely the same thing. It's just that people on a guitar website will tend to get hypocritical when guitars become involved.
#33
Quote by Luizza69
I mean, i can create a rap song equivalent to anything like Soulja Boy, 50 Cent, Ludacris or any other tool in garage band in less than an hour. Its just commercialized bull****.

i bet you couldn't rap as well as 50 or Luda. How about you listen to their albums and not just their radio singles?
#34
There's too many rap threads lately.
If you ask me, they don't have any skill. It's just talking and a beat. And most of the time, the lyrics are really dumb
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Quote by funkbass369
....Who are you to say what art is? I don't like that kind of rap but i don't put it down and say that its all a joke. To the people that make that music it is art.


...Which is exactly the reason I made this topic. Musical opinion is just that- OPINION- and since the type of rap I'm talking about seems, to me at least, to have little in the way of expression, I was wondering what other people thought.
#36
Quote by nikhil101
maybe he means nwa = original and ludacris = copy or fake or something like that?

Anyway, there is good rap or hip hop out there. Listen to Atmosphere or maybe Aesop Rock. But I prefer Atmosphere much more. This is coming from a die hard opeth fan btw.


I think he meant it more as:
NWA members would go to prison for shooting someone, and that would be that pretty much.

Ludacris(and those like him) would say they shot someone in a song, tell their publicist to make a call to MTV so they can get some air time.

The people who are rapping about what they believe in and aren't in it for the money(even though pretty much all of them say they aren't when it's pretty obvious that they are) or fame, those people are artist.
Maybe I only feel that way because I grew up listening to true gangster rappers.
#37
Quote by Luizza69
I mean, i can create a rap song equivalent to anything like Soulja Boy, 50 Cent, Ludacris or any other tool in garage band in less than an hour. Its just commercialized bull****.

****s like you are annoying
you say you can do it? then go ****ing do it
go make a song that becomes instantly popular and sells like crazy majority of the mainstream love
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#38
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god ****ing sake! you think its obseinities, some ppl think metal is just drop tuned guitars and screaming.
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION


Alright than, what is good about gangsta rap?

What makes it an artform?
#40
Like someone said above, rock music had the same 'commercialisation' in the 80's
I like that stuff. I think it's brilliant. I have no interest at all in Led Zep, I think they're highly unoriginal and overrated and I don't care who flames me for saying so.
Rock music has commercialisation again today, post-grunge, with 'emo' and 'pop-rock'

Rap music as a genre goes thru all the same fluctuations. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. How hard is that?
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