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http://www.guitarcenter.com/Schecter-C-1-Hellraiser-FR-Electric-Guitar-518471-i1385937.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Jackson-SLSMG-Soloist-Electric-Guitar-512234-i1147620.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Schecter-Synyster-Custom-Electric-Guitar-103945705-i1169285.gc

Title says it all.

Not that I'm getting another guitar soon but I'd still like to look into it. Yes I know my amp is crap as well but I'm working on that.

I've made a few threads about this and so far these three (minus the synyster I'm just throwing that in the mix) guitars seem to be what most people say will perfectly fit my taste.

Most of my favorite bands are metalcore although I like metal as a whole. Some of my favorite bands include but are not limited to: Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, Ozzy (w/ Randy Rhodes of course), Children of Bodom, In Flames. ect.

I was considering the Jackson SLSMG a lot but I really wanted a floyd rose tremolo on my guitar. So I explained that and i was pointed in the direction of the Schecter C-1 FR Hellraiser. I just threw the synyster custom in their because A7x is my favorite band and i figured that maybe it would help me get a metalcore sound lol.


Any more info needed just ask.


Price range is about 1000$


I asked over in the Guitar Basics section but only two people decided to try and help lol. Recommended I ask here.

I've been horded with people telling me that the SLSMG will almost perfectly suit my taste for my price range (Favorite bands include: A7x, Bullet For My Valentine, Ozzy, Gn'R, enjoy metal and metalcore)

However I really want a floyd on my next guitar and i feel that if I spend this much money on it, my next guitar should have a floyd if I want it on there.

I'm throwing the synyster in the mix since A7x is my favorite band lol.

SLSMG soloist was the first thing recommended to me. When I said I needed to have a floyd or kahler (preferably floyd since kahlers are hella expensive) on my next guitar Iwas recommended the Schecter C-1 FR Hellraiser. However, I have a couple of things that get in the way of my personal preferences. It's a set neck. Not into those but not a big deal. Active pickups. I heard those are a pain.

I just want to know of one guitar that would cater to my taste in music for my price range. Preferably a tremolo. Btw I know my current amp is worthless but I'm working on that as well.
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#2
if i were you i'd split that budget and spend $500 on a new amp as well.
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#5
My parents basically said that I have 1000$ on my next guitar and they'll discuss a new amp when xmas comes around.


Im probably goin shopping for another guitar when school ends lol. (yes honoroll student).

So for now I'm focusing on the guitar.
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#6
for guitar , i'm going for the jackson soloist. a new amp is a good idea too.
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#7
Quote by leviticus_22953
for guitar , i'm going for the jackson soloist. a new amp is a good idea too.


Is there something that sounds like the soloist but has a trem?
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Quote by leviticus_22953


Those have seymor (sp?) duncan pickups. SLSMG has EMG's. Wouldn't they sound different? Idk I've still have rave juice on me from all my friends talking about EMG's.........um...no homo.
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#10
I personally like the Hellraiser the best. EMG's sound awesome if you run them through a good tube amp. Very versatile too. I have one without the Floyd and I play anything from Behemoth/Nile to Gary Moore type of stuff.
#11
Get a nice tube amp instead of a new guitar, 'cause a new guitar will sound crappy with the amp you've got.
#12
Quote by metalgirl0
Get a nice tube amp instead of a new guitar, 'cause a new guitar will sound crappy with the amp you've got.


Ugh, any suggestions?lol
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
Ugh, any suggestions?lol

Assuming you're keeping the $1000 price range, it seems like a Peavey 5150 would be great for you. If you go used, you'll have enough left over to swap out the speakers, as well. As an alternative though, you could look at used Mesas and ENGLs, they'd get you the type of tone you're looking for.

They'd absolutely blow the Valveking away.
#15
Ok so I understand a new amp is a must but how about my original problem? Just need some serious thoughts because somehow I always get people who just name the guitar with no reasons or completely avoid answering the question. This has been the more productive thread I've made about it.
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
Ok so I understand a new amp is a must but how about my original problem? Just need some serious thoughts because somehow I always get people who just name the guitar with no reasons or completely avoid answering the question. This has been the more productive thread I've made about it.

Right. What do you dislike about having a set neck? I personally love them, is it just a playability thing? If so, you'll probably get used to it if you end up getting it.

Out of those 3, I'd go with the Hellraiser, I think the Mahogany body would suit you better than the alder one on the Soloist. However, I'd also take a look at a Schecter C-1 Blackjack FR. They can come with either active or passive Seymour Duncans, so you can try them both out and decide how you feel about actives.

Here's the one with actives:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-C1-FR-ATX-Electric-Guitar?sku=515765

and this one has passives:
http://www.themadape.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C-1_BlackjackFR

Definitely get a new amp first, though.
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#17
If you want a Kahler, you can get a 1986 Charvel Model 5 or 6. They are neck through soloists like the SLSMG and the 1986 models had Kahler Pros. You can easily find one of eBay for ~$600. Spend the rest on an amp.
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#18
Quote by hrdcorelaxplaya
Right. What do you dislike about having a set neck? I personally love them, is it just a playability thing? If so, you'll probably get used to it if you end up getting it.

Out of those 3, I'd go with the Hellraiser, I think the Mahogany body would suit you better than the alder one on the Soloist. However, I'd also take a look at a Schecter C-1 Blackjack FR. They can come with either active or passive Seymour Duncans, so you can try them both out and decide how you feel about actives.

Here's the one with actives:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-C1-FR-ATX-Electric-Guitar?sku=515765

and this one has passives:
http://www.themadape.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C-1_BlackjackFR

Definitely get a new amp first, though.


In that case do you think I should get a Synyster or does the Blackjack and/or Hellraiser sound better?
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Quote by hrdcorelaxplaya
Right. What do you dislike about having a set neck? I personally love them, is it just a playability thing? If so, you'll probably get used to it if you end up getting it.

Out of those 3, I'd go with the Hellraiser, I think the Mahogany body would suit you better than the alder one on the Soloist. However, I'd also take a look at a Schecter C-1 Blackjack FR. They can come with either active or passive Seymour Duncans, so you can try them both out and decide how you feel about actives.

Here's the one with actives:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-C1-FR-ATX-Electric-Guitar?sku=515765

and this one has passives:
http://www.themadape.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C-1_BlackjackFR

Definitely get a new amp first, though.


Friend of mine said setnecks are generally weaker in the durability area.
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
In that case do you think I should get a Synyster or does the Blackjack and/or Hellraiser sound better?

The Synyster has essentially the same specs as the Blackjack without passives, the pickups are the only difference other than the fact that it's Synyster Gates' sig.

Even if you REALLY want the SD Invaders, it'd still probably be cheaper to just put them in the Blackjack than getting the Syn.

Quote by TheBodomBullet
Friend of mine said setnecks are generally weaker in the durability area.

That's a load of crap... unless you're smashing your guitar against the wall on a daily basis it'll hold up just as well as a bolt- on or neck- thru.
#21
Alright guys. Thanks for the replies. I've made my decision. Unless anyone comes up with a really good case I'll plan on getting a Peavey Valve King amp with a Schecter Synyster Custom.
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
Alright guys. Thanks for the replies. I've made my decision. Unless anyone comes up with a really good case I'll plan on getting a Peavey Valve King amp with a Schecter Synyster Custom.

I disagree with both choices.

Have you tried either? If you're going to, compare the VK to a Peavey 5150, and compare the Synyster Custom to a C-1 Hellraiser and/ or a C-1 Blackjack. The 5150's voiced much better for metal/ metalcore/ hardcore than the Valveking, and the Schecter costs $200 more than the other guitars for the same quality.
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Quote by hrdcorelaxplaya
I disagree with both choices.

Have you tried either? If you're going to, compare the VK to a Peavey 5150, and compare the Synyster Custom to a C-1 Hellraiser and/ or a C-1 Blackjack. The 5150's voiced much better for metal/ metalcore/ hardcore than the Valveking, and the Schecter costs $200 more than the other guitars for the same quality.


Now that you mention it I couldn't find the 5150 on guitarcenter.com. Would you have a link by any chance? As for the Synyster, I have played it before and I do like it. Haven't played or heard the Hellraiser but half the guitar playing friends I know own one. Most of them in the same finish...lol. Same goes for Blackjack (cept I haven't seen anyone I know own it lol.)

Although I shouldn't say it's final it's what I'm leaning towards. Although I'll probably go to Guitar Center tomorrow and see what those two guitars are all about.
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Also I would like to point out that I think I should get my 1000$ guitar first. And then by the time xmas comes around my parents are much more likely to throw down big smackaroos for a new amp. So really it's a matter of which one I want to take care of first.
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#26
I can vouch for the SLSMG. I know I'm gimping it's tone with the junky setup I have. There's so much potential in badass tone that I feel it every single time I look at the axe, and proceed to virtually bash my head against the wall for having ****ty fingers.
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#27
you should also think about the future. when you grow up, do you want to be stuck with a guitar that reminds you how old you are and with someone elses name on it? no doubt its a nice guitar, but i reckon just go for the hellraiser
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Quote by the_crimison
you should also think about the future. when you grow up, do you want to be stuck with a guitar that reminds you how old you are and with someone elses name on it? no doubt its a nice guitar, but i reckon just go for the hellraiser


I don't plan on staying with my Synyster Custom for life. That's gonna be my guitar for a while though. Then when I get good enough I'll save up for a guitar and amp with a much higher budget. But anything is better than this crappy warlock as of now.
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#29
Alright, I see where you're coming from... even though you shouldn't expect more than a slight difference in your tone playing through that Crate.

The reason the 5150 isn't on guitarcenter.com because it's discontinued... kind of. They re-labeled it the 6505 after EVH stopped endorsing it, it's still the same amp though.
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#31
me i would say the schecter hellraiser is the best wat to go. that guitar so so amazing omg lol. but thas just me because i love it.
#32
Well another reason for me not wanting the Hellraiser is because almost every guitar playing person in town uses it as his/her primary guitar.

I mean contrary to the thread title are there any other 1000$ guitars that would fit my taste? Just want to get a few to observe and make my selection with.
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
Well another reason for me not wanting the Hellraiser is because almost every guitar playing person in town uses it as his/her primary guitar.

I mean contrary to the thread title are there any other 1000$ guitars that would fit my taste? Just want to get a few to observe and make my selection with.


there are shedloads of guitars up to $1000 that would fit - just because you've got $1000 doesn't mean you have to spend it all. There's very little to choose between a $700 and $1000 guitar, they're both going to be good.
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there are shedloads of guitars up to $1000 that would fit - just because you've got $1000 doesn't mean you have to spend it all. There's very little to choose between a $700 and $1000 guitar, they're both going to be good.

Yeah but I want to get the bang for my buck. You know what I mean?
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#35
^you might want to take a look at the ESP MH-1000 then, it's essentially the same specs as the Hellraiser but with a thinner neck.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH1000-Electric-Guitar-with-EMGs?sku=512954

There's also the Ibanez S Series... they've got Ibanez ZR trems, which are quite different from OFR's but pretty much of equal quality. You could get this for pretty cheap, then swap out the pickups for whatever you want:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-S520EX-Electric-Guitar?sku=518873
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
Yeah but I want to get the bang for my buck. You know what I mean?

Then don't get the Syn Custom, unless you equate "paying for somebody's name" with bang for buck.

The LTD MH100 is looking good here, but there's plenty out there, there's no reason to limit yourself to an overpriced sig and the generic metal players guitar. The Soloist is great, but there's no point getting it if you want a floyd.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH1000-Electric-Guitar-with-EMGs?sku=512954
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-Prestige-Series-RG2550Z-Electric-Guitar?sku=515738
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-S620EXQM-Electric-Guitar?sku=512501
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Washburn-X50PRO-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=514242
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jackson-DKMG-Dinky?sku=512231
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Quote by steven seagull
Then don't get the Syn Custom, unless you equate "paying for somebody's name" with bang for buck.

The LTD MH100 is looking good here, but there's plenty out there, there's no reason to limit yourself to an overpriced sig and the generic metal players guitar. The Soloist is great, but there's no point getting it if you want a floyd.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-MH1000-Electric-Guitar-with-EMGs?sku=512954
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-Prestige-Series-RG2550Z-Electric-Guitar?sku=515738
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-S620EXQM-Electric-Guitar?sku=512501
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Washburn-X50PRO-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=514242
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jackson-DKMG-Dinky?sku=512231



Which one would you choose between the ESP LTD MH-1000 and Schecter Hellraiser C-1 FR?
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#38
Quote by TheBodomBullet
Which one would you choose between the ESP LTD MH-1000 and Schecter Hellraiser C-1 FR?

Personally, I'd get the Hellraiser because it's $100 cheaper. If it's not your money, though... the ESP looks a bit nicer and has a thinner neck profile, which you might prefer.

What about getting the V-1 Hellraiser FR?
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Quote by hrdcorelaxplaya
Personally, I'd get the Hellraiser because it's $100 cheaper. If it's not your money, though... the ESP looks a bit nicer and has a thinner neck profile, which you might prefer.

What about getting the V-1 Hellraiser FR?


I agreed since I have a warlock now, that I would stick to a milder shape this time around. But I'm really indecisve at the moment although both the Hellraiser and that ESP are looking really appealing at the moment. They're both generally the same thing right?
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Quote by TheBodomBullet
I agreed since I have a warlock now, that I would stick to a milder shape this time around. But I'm really indecisve at the moment although both the Hellraiser and that ESP are looking really appealing at the moment. They're both generally the same thing right?

Pretty much... They're 2 almost identical guitars.
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